mmm 879 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I can't consider freedom of speech when I read a response to a Gaga's tweet that says "kill yourself now." I mean, wtf? That is not freedom of speech. And the rest of the people are so wrong too, because if Gaga replied to that tweet in a angry mode, everyone (even here) would be like: "oh she is famous, she has to know that this is what happens when you are famous, just ignore it."Excuse you? So Gaga has the problem? Not the person who tweeted that? That is NOT freedom of speech. That is simply HATE. And it should be stopped.If I am on a Gaga video on youtube and read a comment like: well I didn't like this video because I don't understand what she means and I think he tried to put too much content so it is confusingTHAT is freedom of speech, giving your opinion with arguments and in a good mode.But comments like: flopga you are so over you are pathetic I hope you die.I should have the freedom of being hateful and thats why groups like the KKK is still legal in America. You should have the freedom to be a racist, s-xist, islamophobe and practice your free speech aslong as you dont force or harass others with it. People have the freedom to listen to it or ignore it specially in social media like making your page privet or blocking people and not sharing your life online. You saying that hate is not freedom of speech is wrong and its not you who defines what is hate and what is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusian 4,686 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 You first falsely accused me and put words in my mouth.. then you tried to make fun of me for not being a true monster.. and then you called me ignorant! If you dont want to or cant make an argument, thats fine but stop replying to my comments because im not interested in your invalid reactions.girl get your facts straight then come back WELCOME TO THE TRAGIC KINGDOM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 girl get your facts straight then come back You still cant give an argument? Im just gonna ignore you before you embarrass yourself more than you already have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaanBTW 5,244 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 She is so amazing. I hope she countinues doing that kinda of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I should have the freedom of being hateful and thats why groups like the KKK is still legal in America. You should have the freedom to be a racist, s-xist, islamophobe and practice your free speech aslong as you dont force or harass others with it. People have the freedom to listen to it or ignore it specially in social media like making your page privet or blocking people and not sharing your life online. You saying that hate is not freedom of speech is wrong and its not you who defines what is hate and what is not.Telling another person directly to "kill yourself now" is harassment. Bullies cause suicides with their words, and there is a fine line between freedom of speech and bullying. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Telling another person directly to "kill yourself now" is harassment. Bullies cause suicides with their words, and there is a fine line between freedom of speech and bullying.Bullies do not cause suicide with their words! some people commit suicide because not alot of people agree with them.. does this mean we should agree with everyone? some people are depressed because they can never win the football game, does this mean we should give trophies to everyone? You are responsible for everything you do aslong as nobody uses coercion force against you and hate speech is not coercion. You are responsible for letting someone elses words effect you.if a person is following me around and telling me to kill myself even after I tell them to stop, then yes thats harassment but not because of the words hes saying, its because of forcing himself on me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Bullies do not cause suicide with their words! You are responsible for letting someone elses words effect you. I wish everyone was that strong. But many are not very strong which is why Gaga tells people that no matter what anyone says or does, they are not worthless, they have greatness within them, they will succeed, and she is with them. She teaches bravery and strength because bullied kids do commit suicide or drop out of school or isolate themselves from society. Rather than blame kids for not being strong, she teaches them to be strong. People are much more fragile than you imply. Once a bullied kid is made to feel he/she doesn't have a friend in the world, it's over. That is one way Gaga has saved many lives ... people know she's their friend.There is an old saying " Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." That is the opposite of the truth, it's words that hurt the most. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I wish everyone was that strong. But many are not very strong which is why Gaga tells people that no matter what anyone says or does, they are not worthless, they have greatness within them, they will succeed, and she is with them. She teaches bravery and strength because bullied kids do commit suicide or drop out of school or isolate themselves from society. Rather than blame kids for not being strong, she teaches them to be strong. People are much more fragile than you imply. Once a bullied kid is made to feel he/she doesn't have a friend in the world, it's over.We should teach kids how to have self worth and teach parents how to be good mothers and fathers.. even bullies hate themselves and thats why they act the way they do. Our children are not strong enough because parents are bullies to their kids and have not shown them love or how to have self worth. I dont see anybody doing a campaign about teaching parents how to be good parents because that would be uncomfortable! What you said is a very dangerous way of thinking say that once someone has a bully, its over!!! no its not over dont teach others to be victims forever and that there is no hope! we shouldnt give them the option to feel comfortable being a victim we should always tell them that they can own their life and not be effected by reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 We should teach kids how to have self worth and teach parents how to be good mothers and fathers.. even bullies hate themselves and thats why they act the way they do. Our children are not strong enough because parents are bullies to their kids and have not shown them love or how to have self worth. I dont see anybody doing a campaign about teaching parents how to be good parents because that would be uncomfortable! What you said is a very dangerous way of thinking say that once someone has a bully, its over!!! no its not over dont teach others to be victims forever and that there is no hope! we shouldnt give them the option to feel comfortable being a victim we should always tell them that they can own their life and not be effected by reality.I agree very much with what you say about parenting. I didn't mean "it's over" in that way ... I guess I worded it poorly. I was trying to say that when a kid feels he/she doesn't have a friend in the world, not even one, that's when suicides occur. It makes me think that maybe it's possible to save a life just by befriending a bullied kid. And I think that's one of the many things Gaga does to help people. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,411 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Amazing, amazing speech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabexuela 1,184 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Amazing, amazing speech. Here, here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabexuela 1,184 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 At 1:24:50 when that girl calls Gaga, Lady! I just love it when Gaga tries to hold back her laugh. Probably reminds her how Tony calls her that. Who's hyped for C2C Part Deux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 We should teach kids how to have self worth and teach parents how to be good mothers and fathers.. even bullies hate themselves and thats why they act the way they do. Our children are not strong enough because parents are bullies to their kids and have not shown them love or how to have self worth. I dont see anybody doing a campaign about teaching parents how to be good parents because that would be uncomfortable! What you said is a very dangerous way of thinking say that once someone has a bully, its over!!! no its not over dont teach others to be victims forever and that there is no hope! we shouldnt give them the option to feel comfortable being a victim we should always tell them that they can own their life and not be effected by reality.Actually, most bullies are just assholes and psychopaths. They enjoy picking on the weaker in society and that often carries over into adulthood and in their families...to their spouse, kids, employees, etc. Young kids and teens suffer in silence. They don't want their parents to know what is going on, because they are embarrassed of it themselves. They start to believe what others are saying about them, especially if they are prone to anxiety or depression. Most young kids and teens feel unsure of themselves by default, because that is the process of growing up. When someone starts backing up the ideas they already have in their head, it reinforces how they already feel about themselves. Even if parents monitor their kids social media religiously, you can't keep up with all of it and you can't go to school and social events with your kids. There is no way to monitor kids and teens 24/7, no matter how good of a parent you are. And no, the majority of parents are not bullies...that statement is simply ridiculous. The culture of Bullying and what is happening to very young teens and kids on social media is a complex situation. Your band aid solution will not fix the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Actually, most bullies are just assholes and psychopaths. They enjoy picking on the weaker in society and that often carries over into adulthood and in their families...to their spouse, kids, employees, etc. Young kids and teens suffer in silence. They don't want their parents to know what is going on, because they are embarrassed of it themselves. They start to believe what others are saying about them, especially if they are prone to anxiety or depression. Most young kids and teens feel unsure of themselves by default, because that is the process of growing up. When someone starts backing up the ideas they already have in their head, it reinforces how they already feel about themselves. Even if parents monitor their kids social media religiously, you can't keep up with all of it and you can't go to school and social events with your kids. There is no way to monitor kids and teens 24/7, no matter how good of a parent you are. And no, the majority of parents are not bullies...that statement is simply ridiculous. The culture of Bullying and what is happening to very young teens and kids on social media is a complex situation. Your band aid solution will not fix the situation. Why are bullies assholes and psychopaths? people are not born that way.. yes there is such thing as a psychopath brain but if they were raised in a healthy win win environment, they will grow up as normal people but parents today dont create that healthy environment. I know about silence suffering ive been through that and use to think of suicide everyday but if you have good parents, they should know without monitoring you 24/7! thats actually a bad idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Why are bullies assholes and psychopaths? people are not born that way.. yes there is such thing as a psychopath brain but if they were raised in a healthy win win environment, they will grow up as normal people but parents today dont create that healthy environment. I know about silence suffering ive been through that and use to think of suicide everyday but if you have good parents, they should know without monitoring you 24/7! thats actually a bad idea.Nature vs nurture. A nun and a murderer can come from the same parents. Why did you suffer silently for years? Did you not have good parents? Is that why you belive that parents can somehow magically keep their kids from depression? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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