LaLuna 12,732 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I used to be like that with other artists when I was younger. But now, being an adult, I'm not as obsessed with artists, I'm happy to just enjoy their music, videos, concerts, etc. I don't feel the need to follow their every move and live vicariously through them. I've never really been "obsessed" with Gaga, she's just someone I admire and whose work I thoroughly enjoy. But I totally understand that in this day and age, with all the technology keeping us from experiencing "real life", it's easy to lose yourself. But don't worry, you already seem to be growing out of it, which is very good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebe 158 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 For me, music and music stars help me escape real life for just a bit. Not enough to get lost or lose sight of my life goals, but enough to soften the blow of being an adult lol. I think it's good to have a balance. Basically this. It's just nice to come online, read about Gaga and music and chat with other people. It's a distraction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 "Its like she has been giving us this fake sense of fulfillment that feels so real. But it isn't real." and there have been numerous implications on this thread that the intense connection that some fans feel to her is something that she is calculating, orchestrating, and exploiting. As if she's some James Bond villain. thats not bashing or blaming but believe what you want i dont care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltaire 4,531 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 It's kind of genius (and I genuinely think this is one of Gaga's genius achievements, even though I'll probably be dragged for saying it) how Gaga managed to, with unique untried social media tools for which she will be remembered more than her fashion - trust me, build this community around her that is of such extreme commercial benefit due to personal entanglement. I mean, I know that everyone thinks Gaga has a genuine relationship with her fans blah blah, even if that's true, that still doesn't nullify the fascinating psychology tricks going on. I mean, this whole "I can only feel good about myself until Gaga is on top and the queen and slayage etc. etc." movement is as scary as it is effective. Over the years I have found it shocking that Gaga pretends to be 100% unaware of this mechanism of psychological projection that's going on in her fanbase, to the extent that it's one of my prime reasons for thinking that Gaga may have unspoken motives in the way she approaches us. I dunno, it'll be interesting to see it develop in the future. I'm glad that, even though I love discussing Gaga, I couldn't give one **** about her success (simply because I have so many other artists to pay attention to - probably why I'm saved from the curse), I'm not forsaking my life to make Gaga a richer woman. & I'm glad you had a very simple but inevitably dramatic realization about that too From very early on she crafted the image of the underdog. Dropped from record labels. Doing what's not popular. You know all the narratives. But the reality is that she's the most successful and "winning" "underdog" of all time. After tens of stripped down piano performances, she manages to maintain for YEARS the "I didn't know she could sing!/play!/perform! like that" reactions. I do believe its been very well thought out and executed; I just don't take issue with it. It shatters no illusions if she is strategic. It ruins nothing for me that she controls her narrative. I feel this way because she's told us this largely from the start: student of fame/master of fame, so public it keeps her private, you see me for what I choose you to see, etc. I very much believe that her entire career, including the collective zeitgeist of her fans, will be viewed as a massive performance that spans decades. It doesn't mean she isn't genuine, it means she's being genuine with intention. That being said, boy have I been enjoying the show. Thanks for a great post @Didymus. I'm tacking onto it more for a continuation of an idea than a counter. :) Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 22,254 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 "Its like she has been giving us this fake sense of fulfillment that feels so real. But it isn't real." and there have been numerous implications on this thread that the intense connection that some fans feel to her is something that she is calculating, orchestrating, and exploiting. As if she's some James Bond villain. We should question her. We should never blindly believe everything about her is as simple as it seems. the fact that she is a celebrity with a PR team?... riiight If you call that bashing, you're rly sensitive or just overly dramatic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 "Its like she has been giving us this fake sense of fulfillment that feels so real. But it isn't real." and there have been numerous implications on this thread that the intense connection that some fans feel to her is something that she is calculating, orchestrating, and exploiting. As if she's some James Bond villain. OMFG I know right, some fans are taking this too seriously To think that Gaga's some evil mastermind of some high up corporation and she's orchestrating the creation of a fan base is so funny to me. Y'all are no different to the people who believe she's in the Illuminati Gaga x Nicki x Azealia x Ariana x Kesha x Bey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,473 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I hope you dealt with your dose of delusional and blind fueled dragging, but I feel the same damn way. She doesn't make blogs anymore, talk to us as much anymore. I get that she's busy, but logic is not gonna fix this disconnect and emptiness im feeling, its just NOT worst. waiting era. EVER! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhmangum 4,408 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Well, all of us have to live one day. It happens to everyone. At one point or another we have to start focusing on us and our lives. Not others. Stressed, depressed, but well dressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhmangum 4,408 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 And as much as I love her. I don't think about her 24/7 nor listen to her 24/7. Maybe thats just part of my personal interest and entertainment. Stressed, depressed, but well dressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 52,473 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Wow. Just oh my god. Reading this thread… I have no words. This is by far the hottest tea that's ever been served to me-the clay in my cup is deforming. But in all seriousness, I'm kinda sacred now, like now I feel I SHOULD disconnect, but I'm only 16, and can't really do anything. I feel very bad that y'all, because can't turn back time and relive your teens, but can yall give me any advice @Katie14 @Didymus, bc yeah, holy ****, I feel used and getting low off this d--g. Feeling like... unstanning… :( dont worrytho, there are still many opportunities to find yourself and happiness, it's not all over like hall are implying. There's always tomorrow :3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,535 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Gaga is still my fav artist but my obsession phase ended in 2012 i basically just come to her fan site to talk about economy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,535 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 It's kind of genius (and I genuinely think this is one of Gaga's genius achievements, even though I'll probably be dragged for saying it) how Gaga managed to, with unique untried social media tools for which she will be remembered more than her fashion - trust me, build this community around her that is of such extreme commercial benefit due to personal entanglement. I mean, I know that everyone thinks Gaga has a genuine relationship with her fans blah blah, even if that's true, that still doesn't nullify the fascinating psychology tricks going on. I mean, this whole "I can only feel good about myself until Gaga is on top and the queen and slayage etc. etc." movement is as scary as it is effective. Over the years I have found it shocking that Gaga pretends to be 100% unaware of this mechanism of psychological projection that's going on in her fanbase, to the extent that it's one of my prime reasons for thinking that Gaga may have unspoken motives in the way she approaches us. I dunno, it'll be interesting to see it develop in the future. I'm glad that, even though I love discussing Gaga, I couldn't give one **** about her success (simply because I have so many other artists to pay attention to - probably why I'm saved from the curse), I'm not forsaking my life to make Gaga a richer woman. & I'm glad you had a very simple but inevitably dramatic realization about that too ive never believed many things she says and often find her exxagerating things tbh i think theres a lot of BS from her just for the sake of maintaining an image and success. I thought this even back in 2009-2012 when i was most into her. i always get dragged for saying this bit its what i think. Just whatch any ramdom long interview and theres always things u can say "yeah right" to. Not to mention shr contradicts herself all the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwerk 7,243 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 As you know I generally feel the same way. I do feel Gaga has warned for this many times and it might take a while to let it sink in. She always encouraged her fans ans said I want you to leave here not loving me more, but loving yourself more. It's us to 'blame' really. I think I personally needed a female rolemodel in my life and clinged too it too much. It's kind of genius (and I genuinely think this is one of Gaga's genius achievements, even though I'll probably be dragged for saying it) how Gaga managed to, with unique untried social media tools for which she will be remembered more than her fashion - trust me, build this community around her that is of such extreme commercial benefit due to personal entanglement. I mean, I know that everyone thinks Gaga has a genuine relationship with her fans blah blah, even if that's true, that still doesn't nullify the fascinating psychology tricks going on. I mean, this whole "I can only feel good about myself until Gaga is on top and the queen and slayage etc. etc." movement is as scary as it is effective. Over the years I have found it shocking that Gaga pretends to be 100% unaware of this mechanism of psychological projection that's going on in her fanbase, to the extent that it's one of my prime reasons for thinking that Gaga may have unspoken motives in the way she approaches us. I dunno, it'll be interesting to see it develop in the future. I'm glad that, even though I love discussing Gaga, I couldn't give one **** about her success (simply because I have so many other artists to pay attention to - probably why I'm saved from the curse), I'm not forsaking my life to make Gaga a richer woman. & I'm glad you had a very simple but inevitably dramatic realization about that too Very interesting and true but I disagree that Gaga pretends to be unaware. I think Gaga underestimated her impact at first. She was using us as a crutch as much as we were using her. As her mom explains here: She was constantly craving unconditional love.Gaga was so deeply emotional at times and confused and just rambled on on stage, out of control, especially during the BTW ball, as if we were her only friends. It made me worry about her mental health. On top of her being depressed, she got bombarded with sad stories of teens. At one point Littlemonsters.com was filled to the brim with kids talking about self mutilation and suicide. Gaga by nature wants to help, but it's too overwhelming for her and too much to bear. She was clinging to us, cute stuffed animals, Tara, weed... She founded the foundation to tackle the issue in a constructive way, so she still can help, but she doesn't feel as responsible or like she has to do it all herself like some modern day Jesus healing the wounded souls by hugging every fan on her path. I noticed she has slowly and subtlely taken more distance from her fans. She's not on lm.com anymore. She can now walk out a hotel without stopping and not be hurt with guilt, which is good. Seriously, one time her bodyguard Peter told us Gaga was crying her eyes out when she wanted to meet us at her hotel after a show but couldn't cause she was jumped by paparazzi. I love that she cared, but to cry over it? She really was in a difficult place. She now feels love and support from Taylor, her doggies, her family and friends and if she feels like it, we are there. I think it will balance out even more over the years. According to Gaga I'm a ****ing rad bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,141 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 It's kind of genius (and I genuinely think this is one of Gaga's genius achievements, even though I'll probably be dragged for saying it) how Gaga managed to, with unique untried social media tools for which she will be remembered more than her fashion - trust me, build this community around her that is of such extreme commercial benefit due to personal entanglement. I mean, I know that everyone thinks Gaga has a genuine relationship with her fans blah blah, even if that's true, that still doesn't nullify the fascinating psychology tricks going on. I mean, this whole "I can only feel good about myself until Gaga is on top and the queen and slayage etc. etc." movement is as scary as it is effective. Over the years I have found it shocking that Gaga pretends to be 100% unaware of this mechanism of psychological projection that's going on in her fanbase, to the extent that it's one of my prime reasons for thinking that Gaga may have unspoken motives in the way she approaches us. I dunno, it'll be interesting to see it develop in the future. I'm glad that, even though I love discussing Gaga, I couldn't give one **** about her success (simply because I have so many other artists to pay attention to - probably why I'm saved from the curse), I'm not forsaking my life to make Gaga a richer woman. & I'm glad you had a very simple but inevitably dramatic realization about that too Meanwhile you're here talking about Gaga all the time. just saying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 I do feel Gaga has warned for this many times and it might take a while to let it sink in. She always encouraged her fans ans said I want you to leave here not loving me more, but loving yourself more.This. I don't follow Gaga for her pop music and awards. I follow her because she cares about people and has consistently been doing things to help people throughout her career. She's a very good person and deserves the happiness and success she wishes for everyone else. And she takes action to help people through her message that everyone is worthy of love and respect, everyone has greatness within them. She posts on LM.com nearly every day under the id @gaga. One of my favorite recent posts, which is typical of how she always has thought about people and life:"When your coolest of cool friends tell you they felt liberated by an artistic experience-- one you conjured from your heart for them, I think there is no greater soaring of my soul. Not to make art not for the elusive "other," but for each other. So it can live on through the sharing of our creative processes. Through love. Can't wait for the world to see what the HAUS is making now." I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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