Lovatics raising money to buy sick children Demi's new album 'Confident'

[Whispering 18,865]

Sorry but if you don't see what's wrong with this you must be a blind stan or just plain stupid.

It's great that they are giving things to the kids but did they even care about what they want or what they need? Do they know if every kid has a CD player?

The poster cringeworthy. 'Buyout' 'Featuring the hit single Cool For The Summer'  

This kind of things should never be used as a marketing campaign or as a gateway/excuse to inflate sales. It's pathetic and sickening.

And don't even start with the "this is how donations work" crap because that's not true and just because some people do it it doesn't make it ok.

This is not Demi's fault and she has nothing to do with these trashy fans, so her stans can take a sit because this is not about her.

This is how most donations and charity happens, whether it is an event held by teens, college students or adults. Charities tie their event into a way to benefit the ones donating. This isn't something that is just done by pop stans or young people. Whether it is giving to get a M&G, or a special table, or a contest between classes in high school, or between teams in high school or college, or sorority and fraternity events in college, or to get your name on a list, on a brick, on a chair, on a building....these are the types of donations that charity organizations rely on. 

If Demi's fans are trashy, then so is every fan that has ever donated money to an artist's cause for a better seat or a M&G, or any person who,has ever given money that had their name attached to it or benefitted them or a club they belong to in anyway. We have a whole lot of "trashy people" out in the world, who are donating a lot of money and items. Charities are thankful for these "trashy people", as they make up the majority of giving. 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

This is how most donations and charity happens, whether it is an event held by teens, college students or adults. Charities tie their event into a way to benefit the ones donating. This isn't something that is just done by pop stans or young people. Whether it is giving to get a M&G, or a special table, or a contest between classes in high school, or between teams in high school or college, or sorority and fraternity events in college, or to get your name on a list, on a brick, on a chair, on a building....these are the types of donations that charity organizations rely on. 

If Demi's fans are trashy, then so is every fan that has ever donated money to an artist's cause for a better seat or a M&G, or any person who,has ever given money that had their name attached to it or benefitted them or a club they belong to in anyway. We have a whole lot of "trashy people" out in the world, who are donating a lot of money and items. Charities are thankful for these "trashy people", as they make up the majority of giving. 

Your whole argument is "It's ok because everyone else does it". That's not how things work. Attaching your name to a donation is not the same thing than inflating your faves album sales with "charity". 

Also your example is not the same thing. You are not trying to disguise your intentions when you buy something that also donates for a cause. You want to see the artist/buy the product for yourself and you are going to be donating at the same time. People are going to pay for those M&G no matter what, but no one is going to buy all those albums because you don't need all those albums.

[Whispering 18,865]

Your whole argument is "It's ok because everyone else does it". That's not how things work. Attaching your name to a donation is not the same thing than inflating your faves album sales with "charity". 

Also your example is not the same thing. You are not trying to disguise your intentions when you buy something that also donates for a cause. You want to see the artist/buy the product for yourself and you are going to be donating at the same time. People are going to pay for those M&G no matter what, but no one is going to buy all those albums because you don't need all those albums.

My whole argument is this is how charity organizations get the majority of their money and donations. The secondary benefit is irrelevant, the point is that there usually is a secondary benefit. 

Getting recognition for yourself, your class, your child, your dead relative, your family name, your sorority, your group...is all secondary recognition or gain for giving to charity organizations. It's all the same! The only people who can claim superior intentions are those who donate completely anonymously, with no benefit to any side project or group, and never tell a soul about their donation. These "pure" givers make up a very small portion of charity giving and donations overall. 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

My whole argument is this is how charity organizations get the majority of their money and donations. The secondary benefit is irrelevant, the point is that there usually is a secondary benefit. 

Getting recognition for yourself, your class, your child, your dead relative, your family name, your sorority, your group...is all secondary recognition or gain for giving to charity organizations. It's all the same! The only people who can claim superior intentions are those who donate completely anonymously, with no benefit to any side project or group, and never tell a soul about their donation. These "pure" givers make up a very small portion of charity giving and donations overall. 

What are you even arguing about? You are admitting that you think it's ok because other people do it. 

Yes, there's no difference between these assholes and other assholes but at least some people who donated try to investigate what people need or want. Most donors get something from their donations, these fans are not getting anything but an illusion that the album sales are going to benefit Demi so much that she is going to be thankful to them. If they are going to benefit themselves from charity at least be smart about it. 

[Whispering 18,865]

What are you even arguing about? You are admitting that you think it's ok because other people do it. 

Yes, there's no difference between these assholes and other assholes but at least some people who donated try to investigate what people need or want. Most donors get something from their donations, these fans are not getting anything but an illusion that the album sales are going to benefit Demi so much that she is going to be thankful to them. If they are going to benefit themselves from charity at least be smart about it. 

I'm saying it is okay because this is how charity and donations work. This is the means to the end. I wouldn't call everyone who donates time, money and resources to charities and causes for secondary reasons or gains "assholes". That's where we differ on this issue. I understand that people are generally interested in themselves or a benefit to themselves, and that's why charity organizations play on these very common emotions in people. Those "assholes" end up being the majority of givers and they end up doing a lot of good, no matter what they got out of giving. 

[Bette Davis 12,742]

#overlyconfident

[DrewStevens 5,249]

I'm saying it is okay because this is how charity and donations work. This is the means to the end. I wouldn't call everyone who donates time, money and resources to charities and causes for secondary reasons or gains "assholes". That's where we differ on this issue. I understand that people are generally interested in themselves or a benefit to themselves, and that's why charity organizations play on these very common emotions in people. Those "assholes" end up being the majority of givers and they end up doing a lot of good, no matter what they got out of giving. 

Your reasoning is still the same "it's ok because most people do it that way". There are thousands of charities that are supported by anonymous sources. Your idea of how charity works is not accurate. 

It's not the same thing when you get something from donating than donating because you are going to obtain something. Intention does matter in some extent and their intention wasn't helping people, it was inflating albums sales and then they found a way to make it less pathetic.

[Whispering 18,865]

Your reasoning is still the same "it's ok because most people do it that way". There are thousands of charities that are supported by anonymous sources. Your idea of how charity works is not accurate. 

It's not the same thing when you get something from donating than donating because you are going to obtain something. Intention does matter in some extent and their intention wasn't helping people, it was inflating albums sales and then they found a way to make it less pathetic.

It's okay because this is the way it works, it is how charities get what they need. It is how they get people to give up their money, This isn't my personal idea of how charities work, it is a reality.

Intention doesn't matter to charity organizations. They just want the donations and the money. They don't care if you are donating for a secondary cause or reason. 

Would I ever do this for any artist? No, but I've never bought multiple copies of music and don't intend to start! There are those fans who buy multiple copies (although that never ends up making a big difference), so I just look at efforts like these as a way to give the CDs to someone, instead of sticking them in a drawer.  

[DrewStevens 5,249]

It's okay because this is the way it works, it is how charities get what they need. It is how they get people to give up their money, This isn't my personal idea of how charities work, it is a reality.

Intention doesn't matter to charity organizations. They just want the donations and the money. They don't care if you are donating for a secondary cause or reason. 

That's bull****. That's not how all charities work and anyone who has ever worked for a charity would know that. I work for a LGBT youth foundation and we receive hundreds of anonymous donations or from people who don't ask for any kind of reward or recognition. So no, that's not the way it works.  

This whole thing is a pathetic attempt to inflate the first week sales of the album and some fan decided to also give all the albums to "charity". Somehow goods or some, but still stupid. They don't know if everyone has a CD player, they don't know if everyone likes Demi or that type of music, they didn't think that maybe some of the parents wouldn't want their kids listening to an album that contains tracks with explicit language. 

[Whispering 18,865]

That's bull****. That's not how all charities work and anyone who has ever worked for a charity would know that. I work for a LGBT youth foundation and we receive hundreds of anonymous donations or from people who don't ask for any kind of reward or recognition. So no, that's not the way it works.  

This whole thing is a pathetic attempt to inflate the first week sales of the album and some fan decided to also give all the albums to "charity". Somehow goods or some, but still stupid. They don't know if everyone has a CD player, they don't know if everyone likes Demi or that type of music, they didn't think that maybe some of the parents wouldn't want their kids listening to an album that contains tracks with explicit language. 

Okay...thanks for calling my comment bull****. 

I too have worked for many charity organizations and been involved in planning charity events for groups, schools, civic organizations, etc. The majority of money that comes in will not be from anonymous donors. When raising money, something is usually offered, and the majority of people will take that little piece of something or that name in the program, or that benefit for their class or their group. There are competitions at schools, colleges, and work places to get people to give their money or other resources. If someone just walked around with a big jar for anonymous donations, they wouldn't get close to the amount they would get with these competitions or by promising some recognition or something in return. Big donars often give to have a tax write off...that's still a secondary incentive. 

I've volunteered and worked with St. Jude hospital for many years now. Perhaps you have heard of them? This is how this will work...these CDs will be placed into a resource room full of new CDs, movies, books and games. Children, including teens, will get a list of CDs, movies, books and games they can request from. There are CD players in many rooms, as well as CD players that can be checked out from the resource room and many long term families bring their own. Will there be tweens and teen girls that might want to listen to Demi's new CD? I suspect that there might be. 

These CDs are not going to be forced on anyone. They are not going to allow a group of random kids run through the hospital, handing out CDs to any kid they see. There is an organized process in place here. 

[Riot Poof 2,236]

"No money is being donated to the sick children. Instead, fans are asked to give away the albums to the hospital."

This phrasing. 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

Okay...thanks for calling my comment bull****. 

I too have worked for many charity organizations and been involved in planning charity events for groups, schools, civic organizations, etc. The majority of money that comes in will not be from anonymous donors. When raising money, something is usually offered, and the majority of people will take that little piece of something or that name in the program, or that benefit for their class or their group. There are competitions at schools, colleges, and work places to get people to give their money or other resources. If someone just walked around with a big jar for anonymous donations, they wouldn't get close to the amount they would get with these competitions or by promising some recognition or something in return. Big donars often give to have a tax write off...that's still a secondary incentive. 

I've volunteered and worked with St. Jude hospital for many years now. Perhaps you have heard of them? This is how this will work...these CDs will be placed into a resource room full of new CDs, movies, books and games. Children, including teens, will get a list of CDs, movies, books and games they can request from. There are CD players in many rooms, as well as CD players that can be checked out from the resource room and many long term families bring their own. Will there be tweens and teen girls that might want to listen to Demi's new CD? I suspect that there might be. 

These CDs are not going to be forced on anyone. They are not going to allow a group of random kids run through the hospital, handing out CDs to any kid they see. There is an organized process in place here. 

Still bull****. Your argument is still based on what the majority of people (according to your experience because it's a fact that charity does not alway work that way) do. We are never going to agree because you think it's ok and normal to give to the ones in need expecting to receive something and I don't.

I never said it was wrong to give those albums to kids. I criticized these people because they used charity for their personal and pathetic motives. It's pretty clear why they bought all those copies in the first place and they are trying to disguise it as "sharing Demi's message with the poor and ill children of Toronto". 

[Whispering 18,865]

Still bull****. Your argument is still based on what the majority of people (according to your experience because it's a fact that charity does not alway work that way) do. We are never going to agree because you think it's ok and normal to give to the ones in need expecting to receive something and I don't.

I never said it was wrong to give those albums to kids. I criticized these people because they used charity for their personal and pathetic motives. It's pretty clear why they bought all those copies in the first place and they are trying to disguise it as "sharing Demi's message with the poor and ill children of Toronto". 

Now, you are just being rude for the sake of being rude. 

How is this a fact? Why does every charity have contests and ways to recognize donars, if secondary motives aren't an important part of motivating people to give money? Even those "tweet _______ to donate to _______" give attention to people donating. The ice bucket challenge was about attention. Charities also rely on playing on your emotions to give, that's why we have those long, sadder than sad commercials with moving music that show neglected animals or starving children. You get letters and pictures of children or animals you "adopt" to make you feel good about giving.

Yes, I think all of this is okay, because it is what it takes for the majority of people to let go of their money. If these contests and incentives weren't necessary, then charities wouldn't mess with them! Do you think they want to waste their time? Do you think a bunch of mostly volunteers have nothing better to do at this organization that they care about? They spend time on it, because it works! 

I was simply answering your logistical questions in the last part of your comment before this one. 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

Now, you are just being rude.

How is this a fact? Why does every charity have contests and ways to recognize donars, if secondary motives aren't an important part of motivating people to give money? Even those "tweet _______ to donate to _______" give attention to people donating. The ice bucket challenge was about attention. Charities also rely on playing on your emotions to give, that's why we have those long, sadder than sad commercials with moving music that show neglected animals or starving children. You get letters and pictures of children or animals you "adopt" to make you feel good about giving. Yes, I think all of this is okay, because it is what it takes for the majority of people to let go of their money. If these contests and incentives weren't necessary, then charities wouldn't mess with them! Do you think they want to,waste their time? Do you think a bunch of volunteers mostly have nothing better to do at this organization that they care about? They spend time on it because it works! 

I was simply answering your logistical questions in the last part of your comment before this one. 

I'm being harsh because you're being ignorant. No, not all charities make contests and not all donors obtain things from donating. That's a fact and you have been saying something that's not accurate. 

You are comparing two different things. Motivating people to donate with contests and games is definitely not the same than creating an event to inflate albums sales so an artist can get a certification or a number one and then donating all those copies to charity. You are comparing incentives with getting what you want while using a cause to justify your fraud. 

I'll say it again. You and I are not going to agree on this because you think it's ok to expect something from charity and I don't. I don't care how common it is. Just because something is common it doesn't mean it's ok.

[SweetEscape 654]

Donating the money would make more sense, but it's not that bad (even if they just do it to boost the album's sales). I mean, I'm sure a lot of children will be happy to get a copy so that's something.