River 127,341 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Brest here Never been there, but I see that you have a beach so it's good :) ok we are going to off topic, so let's stop "^_^ So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Israel looks like how US was in 2002 , hating every muslim because of 9/11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Israel looks like how US was in 2002 , hating every muslim because of 9/11. what a generalisation there are also Israeli Muslims. Also israel is surrounded by enemy States who all hate Jews. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 There has been confusion and contradictory reports regarding the identity of the assailant. Both Reuters and Ynet, citing Palestinian media, claimed he was Isam al-Araj from Shuafat, a neighborhood in occupied East Jerusalem whose Palestinian residents have frequently been targeted with violence by Israeli occupation forces and settlers. This information had not been confirmed by any official source. It was also not apparent which Palestinian media had reported the claim. The Jerusalem Post later claimed that the Israeli army had named the attacker as Muhannad Al-Okabi, from the Bedouin town of Hura in the southern Naqab (Negev) region of present-day Israel. The same name was reported in other Israeli media, including Maariv. Death-chanting mob During the incident, a security guard shot 29-year-old Haftom Zarhum, an Eritrean refugee who was “misidentified” as a “terrorist,”according to Haaretz. Zarhum later diedof his injuries. Zarhum came to Beer Sheva on Sunday to procure a visa. Video captured by bystanders and posted to social media shows a mob of onlookers, including Israeli soldiers and police, kicking Zarhum in the head, pinning him under a chair and throwing a bench at him as he writhes on the floor, clearly in pain and bleeding severely. Voices from the crowd can be heard chanting for Zarhum’s death, shouting “mehabel” (terrorist), “Kill him!” and “Break his head! Break his head! Son of a prostitute!” Ynet reported that medics trying to evacuate Zarhum “ran into objection from the crowds at the scene, who blocked their way and called out ‘Death to Arabs,”Arabs out!’ and ‘Am Israel Chai’ (‘The people of Israel still live’).” Haaretz correspondent Chaim Levinson tweeted a statement from an Israeli police spokesperson implying Zarhum might have been shot because of his race. “I haven’t touched a word. The Police spokesman’s (Negev region) statement: One of the wounded persons, who was shot by security forces, is a foreign citizen; at the moment it is not clear if he is involved with the event or if he was shot due to his exterior appearance,” Levinson wrote. Non-Jewish refugees from African states regularly experience extreme racism and hostility in Israel. Israeli leaders have labeled them a “demographic threat” to Israel’s Jewish majority, as they have Palestinians. They are at constant risk of indefinite detention and deportation. During preliminary questioning, the security guard who shot Zarhum was quoted by the Israeli news site Maariv,stating: “I was sure he was the terrorist, he wasn’t hiding like everyone else.” “I saw him running toward me and not hiding like the others, so I shot him,” added the security guard. However, another video of the incident, widely shared on social media, appears to show the shooting of Zarhum. It flatly contradicts the security guard’s account. In the video, a man can be seen crawling on all fours, clearly posing no threat to anyone and likely trying to escape to safety, when a man with a handgun approaches and shoots him. The shooting victim is then seen writhing on the floor in a similar position to the video showing Zarhum being attacked by the mob. In both videos, the shooting victim is lying near the set of orange chairs used to attack Zarhum and near a dark line on the floor. No one offers him medical assistance. There have been other recent examples of such lynch mob behavior, including before and after the summary execution of Fadi Alloun, a Palestinian youth in Jerusalem, on 4 October. These mob killings come amid a growing chorus of incitement by Israeli leaders, who have openly encouraged vigilante revenge against Palestinians following stabbing attacks that have left seven Israelis dead. Last week, a video captured Israelis screaming “Die you son of a prostitute!” at Ahmad Manasra as the Palestinian 13-year-old lay covered in blood and gasping on the ground. The boy and his cousin Khalid Manasra who was killed, were accused of involvement in a stabbing that injured two Israelis in the settlement of Pisgat Zeev. Since 1 October Israeli forces have killed at least 42 Palestinians, many in what nine human rights groups condemned as “extrajudicial killings” of alleged attackers and Palestinian demonstrators. Gag order The Israeli government has placed a gag order on all aspects of the police investigation into the bus station attack until 18 November. The gag order, which was leaked on social media, prohibits media from sharing “any detail about the investigation,” “any detail that could identify the suspects,” and “the fact of the existence of the investigation.” צא”פ גורף הוטל על חקירת הפיגוע בבאר שבעpic.twitter.com/XFUCWcGkX8 — זלמן בטוויטר (@Zalmainu)October 18, 2015 The Israeli news site Walla! News confirmed that a “sweeping gag order” was in effect. The withholding of the gunman’s identity and the subsequent gag on any details that could identify him is peculiar. The Israeli government typically wastes no time publicizing the name, possible criminal record and political affiliation of suspected Palestinian attackers. Whatever the reason, the details will emerge soon enough. What is also all but certain is that the Israelis who attacked and perhaps ultimately killed Zarhum are not likely to held accountable. Their families will not be subjected to punitive home demolitions and other forms ofcollective punishment that Israel reserves exclusively for Palestinians. https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/israeli-mob-attacks-dying-eritrean-refugee-after-soldier-killed FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 An Eritrean asylum seeker who died after he was shot and later beaten during Sunday’s deadly terrorist attack at Beersheba central bus station, having being mistaken for a terrorist, will not be recognized by as a terror victim by the State of Israel as he had entered the country illegally. Twenty-nine-year-old Haftom Zarhum died in Soroka Hospital in Beersheba after he was shot by a security officer who believed he was an assailant, and then brutally beaten by a mob at the site of the attack. Videos from the incident showed Zarhum fleeing the scene, only to be gunned down and then kicked repeatedly in the head by a crowd in the bus station. A spokesperson for the Defense Ministry told the Haaretz daily on Tuesday that as Zarhum did not have a permit to reside in Israel, he did not meet the criterion stated by the law and was therefore not eligible for the status of “Victim of Hostilities.” The Victims of Hostilities Law recognizes a person who was accidentally shot or harmed, “due to hostile action by enemy forces,” as a hostility victim, a status that means the individual and his relatives are eligible for benefits from the state. However, the law explicitly defines that a victim of hostilities must be a resident of Israel, an Israeli citizen or a person who entered Israel with a visa or permit. Following Sunday’s attack, Police said in a statement that they viewed Zarhum’s death as a “very grave” incident, and that they “will not allow [citizens] to take the law into their hands.” The police also called for “everyone to act with restraint and extra caution and allow the police to perform their duty.” Negev regional police chief Amnon Alkalai ordered investigators to locate the civilians who beat the man. The Israeli press expressed outrage over the attack on the Eritrean man, with Yedioth Ahronoth reporting that he was shot “only because of the color of his skin.”A member of Knesset from the Meretz party branded the incident a lynching and demanded the arrest of those responsible. However, coalition member and Jewish Home MK Yinon Magal reacted to the shooting by saying on Facebook that, “in every war there’s friendly fire. We need to try hard to prevent this. And still, in percentages, in this war the number of instances of injuries by our forces is low. We must continue and try to strive to reach and eliminate every terrorist.” http://www.timesofisrael.com/eritrean-killed-in-beersheba-ineligible-for-terror-victim-status/ FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobtank 9,090 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I just don't understand the thought process of people attacking someone after he had been shot. I feel so bad, imagine how he must have felt in his last moments. So inhumane I can't believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 what a generalisation there are also Israeli Muslims. Also israel is surrounded by enemy States who all hate Jews. And you just quote me to reply with another, even more insane generalisation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 And you just quote me to reply with another, even more insane generalisation?"even more insane generalization" "In 2008 A Pew Research Center survey found that negative views concerning Jews were most common in the three predominantly Arab nations polled, with 97% of Lebanese having unfavorable opinion of Jews, 95% in Egypt and 96% in Jordan" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I just don't understand the thought process of people attacking someone after he had been shot. I feel so bad, imagine how he must have felt in his last moments. So inhumane I can't believe it. heres the thought process. if i in my misguided mind believe that someone is a terrorist that tried to kill innocent people i dont care if you're on the ground writhing in pain from a gunshot wound. i'll do whatever it takes to make sure the job is finished and you stop breathing. and then as your lifeless body is on the ground i'll stomp on your head to make sure your face is unrecognizable so your parents can not even have an open casket for the piece of **** they helped create. thats the thought process. this was a tragic mistake though. RIP, poor guy I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 "even more insane generalization" "In 2008 A Pew Research Center survey found that negative views concerning Jews were most common in the three predominantly Arab nations polled, with 97% of Lebanese having unfavorable opinion of Jews, 95% in Egypt and 96% in Jordan" "In 2009 A Gadew Research Center survey found that quoting whatever without any source whatsoever is not a valid arguement. Also, taking time into finding information to prove strangers online they're wrong on a random comment they made, is highly unproductive and a pure waste of time". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 "In 2009 A Gadew Research Center survey found that quoting whatever without any source whatsoever is not a valid arguement. Also, taking time into finding information to prove strangers online they're wrong on a random comment they made, is highly unproductive and a pure waste of time". It basically says in the quote what the source is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 heres the thought process. if i in my misguided mind believe that someone is a terrorist that tried to kill innocent people i dont care if you're on the ground writhing in pain from a gunshot wound. i'll do whatever it takes to make sure the job is finished and you stop breathing. and then as your lifeless body is on the ground i'll stomp on your head to make sure your face is unrecognizable so your parents can not even have an open casket for the piece of **** they helped create. thats the thought process. this was a tragic mistake though. RIP, poor guy are you saying this kind of lynch mob would be justified if he was Palestinian? Is it tragic mistake only because it's wrong guy? Since when are citizens suppose to take law in own hands and kill suspects in vigilante attacks..in only democracy in ME? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 are you saying this kind of lynch mob would be justified if he was Palestinian?Is it tragic mistake only because it's wrong guy?Since when are citizens suppose to take law in own hands and kill suspects in vigilante attacks..in only democracy in ME? i'm saying if i 100% believed he was a terrorist (supposedly he was wearing the same clothing as the terrorist was wearing and IDF believed he was as well right?) then thats what would go through my mind and in a moment of pure rage i would react the same way those people in that video reacted even if hes on the ground bleeding. yes they got the wrong guy we arent supposed to want vigilante justice but what is right by law and what is right in the minds of people in fear of a terrorist attack are 2 different things. its wrong in the eyes of society but i wouldn't act much different.i'd be wrong and i wouldnt care that i am wrong for what i'm doing. I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 i'm saying if i 100% believed he was a terrorist (supposedly he was wearing the same clothing as the terrorist was wearing and IDF believed he was as well right?) then thats what would go through my mind and in a moment of pure rage i would react the same way those people in that video reacted even if hes on the ground bleeding. yes they got the wrong guy we arent supposed to want vigilante justice but what is right by law and what is right in the minds of people in fear of a terrorist attack are 2 different things. its wrong in the eyes of society but i wouldn't act much different. i'd be wrong and i wouldnt care that i am wrong for what i'm doing. He was attacked because of government incitement towards African refugees and connecting them to ISIS without any evidence and calling them "demographic threat", also look another video few posts above and article, guard says he shot him because he was running towards him and not hiding like everyone else (which was a lie). There was no talk about his clothes. "In the video, a man can be seen crawling on all fours, clearly posing no threat to anyone and likely trying to escape to safety, when a man with a handgun approaches and shoots him. The shooting victim is then seen writhing on the floor in a similar position to the video showing Zarhum being attacked by the mob." FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 He was attacked because of government incitement towards African refugees and connecting them to ISIS without any evidence and calling them "demographic threat", also look another video few posts above and article, guard says he shot him because he was running towards him and not hiding like everyone else (which was a lie). There was no talk about his clothes. "In the video, a man can be seen crawling on all fours, clearly posing no threat to anyone and likely trying to escape to safety, when a man with a handgun approaches and shoots him. The shooting victim is then seen writhing on the floor in a similar position to the video showing Zarhum being attacked by the mob." thats a screw up on the IDF's part and they should be punished for it. and i cant comment on why they believed he was the terrorist because if it wasnt his clothing(which is what i heard) then i'd have to ask the soldier himself as to why he thought that was the terrorist. i dont know what is in his mind and i'm not going to act as if i do.(same way i am with all the police shootings out here) but they definitely need to be investigated but i'm doubtful israel would do that. i'm talking about the average citizen or "mob". if there is a terrorist attack going on and i see police apprehending someone as if they are the terrorist then i will trust that they have the terrorist and would definitely want to get in a shot or two. in that situation there is no "let me stand back and rationally assess the situation" theres just pure fear and anger and yes definitely hatred due to the conflict in the region. honestly my post wasnt even relevant to the story but i just see a lot of people saying things like " oh those people are all crazy and evil". yeah its a ****ed up situation but i'm able to sit back at my computer screen not feeling the fear and anger that being involved in a terrorist attack brings, and call them evil for what they did. or i could be realistic and realize i'm no different from them. same with the palestinians. if i was treated the way they are by the israeli government i bet i'd be a different kind of person. i wouldnt want to think i'd be a terrorist or anything but i doubt i'd be a freaking care bear I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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