Jerusalem bus stabbings: Two Israelis killed by Palestinian Terrorist

[TiphEret 1,320]

That's not justified.

I doubt settlers would've attacked palestenians if they would'nt have attacked first. It was always the Palestinians who started with the terror attacks. Statistically wise, there were alot more Palestinian attacks against Israelis than Israelis against Palestinians. Try again.

Maybe you should share data if you want to be taken seriously, because the exact opposite could said, even IDF has complained about settlers

[Melech 9,900]

Look how that thread got derailed again by same people. Two people actually died. 

Rip to those and prayers go to the family.

 

[Ronlop 6,882]

Maybe you should share data if you want to be taken seriously, because the exact opposite could said, even IDF has complained about settlers

Oh settlers attacks happen and are not justified in any way. However, count the times Palestinians against innocent Israelis attacks happened compared to Israelis against innocent Palestinians? 

It's very childish to say such a thing but the palestinians started these kind of attacks.

Should settlers attack back? Nope. Should the goverment support settlements? Nope.

Does this have anything to do with the topic though?

[mmm 879]

As far as I know, Jewish people didn't delibeartely kill innocent german citizens during the holocaust as an act of survival. Yet, you 'recognize' the reasons for the recent attacks against innocent Israelis.

You didn't answer me. How does the average bus passenger who was stabbed along with his wife responsible for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? Because he is Israeli? That's why?

Im an Arab but if I see an Arab who tries to kill a israeli civilian, I will kill him to stop him from killing someone innocent.. I do understand why palestinians are turning into terrorists though because its only natural to happen when you oppress people. Every jew who decides to immigrate to israel and live there supports zionism but we shouldnt be allowed to kill them because its not coercion violencet unless you work in the military.

[Melech 9,900]

and how much palestinians have died?

how is that relevant now? Two people died. You acting like that this okay because Palestinians died.

[Melech 9,900]

Im an Arab but if I see an Arab who tries to kill a israeli civilian, I will kill him to stop him from killing someone innocent.. I do understand why palestinians are turning into terrorists though because its only natural to happen when you oppress people. Every jew who decides to immigrate to israel and live there supports zionism but we shouldnt be allowed to kill them because its not coercion violencet unless you work in the military.

Always those damn Jews right ? First we don't want them in our countries but they shouldn't go to Israel either. The best things is to send them to the moon, amirite?

[brizoda 4,192]

how is that relevant now? Two people died. You acting like that this okay because Palestinians died.

this is a barbàric situation, and not i'm not condoning any dead or attack

[Ronlop 6,882]

Im an Arab but if I see an Arab who tries to kill a israeli civilian, I will kill him to stop him from killing someone innocent.. I do understand why palestinians are turning into terrorists though because its only natural to happen when you oppress people. Every jew who decides to immigrate to israel and live there supports zionism but we shouldnt be allowed to kill them because its not coercion violencet unless you work in the military.

Well alright. The topic was about the recent attacks against innocent Israelis during the past week. Glad we both agree that this is unjustified. 

The fact there is this general way of thinking that a person is 'supporting' the goverment because he chooses to live there and build a family there is stupid. You, as an average citizen, are not responsible for your goverment's actions. 

[TiphEret 1,320]

Oh settlers attacks happen and are not justified in any way. However, count the times Palestinians against innocent Israelis attacks happened compared to Israelis against innocent Palestinians? 

It's very childish to say such a thing but the palestinians started these kind of attacks.

Should settlers attack back? Nope. Should the goverment support settlements? Nope.

Does this have anything to do with the topic though?

You talk about settlers, I am telling you that many times they started attacks on Palestinians, so yes I guess it's on topic if you bring it here. From throwing trashes on Palestinians streets to harassing them, if you keep provoking someone do you really expect they won't react? This is as childish as saying Palestinians started. We don't care who start what it's not a contest and if you want to see who wins the contest of deaths look at record for Palestinians... Have you already forgotten the house set on fire where one child survived? 

[Dolev 867]

and what about the terrorist country of Israel, Israel is now an appartheid country not only to muslims

How is Israel an apartheid state exactly?

Because how would do they do this?

I mean, you can draw a very meaningful parallel to the worldwide pollution and animal suffering caused by the dietary habits of the average Westerner. We all know it's happening and it's impacting the world a lot more than Islamic terrorism and many people are against it, but when demanded to take a stand do you think even 5% would do something?

Add to that the difficulty of that 5% being absolutely clueless about how to change something so complex and powerful as the food industry and I think you should realize why simply demanding that people who aren't even directly responsible for something should take large-scale actions to change something that is simply beyond their reach.

But we do take action. Governments are creating laws for an eco-friendly industries for example, people are going veggy and so on. Also, there is a strong difference between terrorism which affects human-lives directly and eating meat which is still kinda in consensus and does not hurt any human life on purpose.

You're a little-bit downplaying Muslims as people. Societies drives by people and their morals - if they will all condemn or boycott terror ideals it will become much less common, especially in the Muslim world where respect & honor is very, very important to people.

[Melech 9,900]

 Personally this whole situation is frustrating. Many people are pro-palestine lately and basically celebrate death of Israel citizens or derail it directly and say "what about palestininans" they don't give fück that there are maybe people you care about living in Israel. For me it's really frustrating emotionally. I don't care if someone is against Israeli policies, but I think there is something wrong when you don't care about Israeli deaths or excuse the death. 

[Ronlop 6,882]

You talk about settlers, I am telling you that many times they started attacks on Palestinians, so yes I guess it's on topic if you bring it here. From throwing trashes on Palestinians streets to harassing them, if you keep provoking someone do you really expect they won't react? This is as childish as saying Palestinians started. We don't care who start what it's not a contest and if you want to see who wins the contest of deaths look at record for Palestinians... Have you already forgotten the house set on fire where one child survived? 

You deliberately remember only this?

Why aren't you mentioning the woman who was stabbed in front of her children in the ancient city in Jerusalem? Why aren't you mentioning the dozens of cases where rocks were being thrown on Israeli's cars? Why aren't you mentioning the Israeli 60 year old passenger who was stabbed to death? Why aren't you mentioning the dozens cases of terror attacks that happened against Israelis this past week?

You only see the "house that was set on fire where one child survived". That is not in any way justified but why are you seeing only one side?

It's the Palestinians who started to provoke and harass. Should the settlers attack back? No. 

And again, stasticially wise (and it's not even worth to argue on), there were more Palestinian against Israeli attacks than the opposite. 

[mmm 879]

Always those damn Jews right ? First we don't want them in our countries but they shouldn't go to Israel either. The best things is to send them to the moon, amirite?

Dont know what your talking about.. are you responding to me personally or just accusing me of what others might be saying?

Well alright. The topic was about the recent attacks against innocent Israelis during the past week. Glad we both agree that this is unjustified. 

The fact there is this general way of thinking that a person is 'supporting' the goverment because he chooses to live there and build a family there is stupid. You, as an average citizen, are not responsible for your goverment's actions. 

Yes it cant be justified and nobody can make the claim that it is unless its self defense.

If Nazi Germany lasted longer, people who already lived there or born into it are not responsible for their governments actions but people who immigrate to be part of a fascist racist country is a little responsible in my opinion.

[Melech 9,900]

Dont know what your talking about.. are you responding to me personally or just accusing me of what others might be saying?

Yes it cant be justified and nobody can make the claim that it is unless its self defense.
If Nazi Germany lasted longer, people who already lived there or born into it are not responsible for their governments actions but people who immigrate to be part of a fascist racist country is a little responsible in my opinion.

You said every Jew going to Israel supports zionist regime while the majority don't even have another chance   And especially now times get dangerous again. 

 

[Didymus 34,380]

How is Israel an apartheid state exactly?

But we do take action. Governments are creating laws for an eco-friendly industries for example, people are going veggy and so on. Also, there is a strong difference between terrorism which affects human-lives directly and eating meat which is still kinda in consensus and does not hurt any human life on purpose.

You're a little-bit downplaying Muslims as people. Societies drives by people and their morals - if they will all condemn or boycott terror ideals it will become much less common, especially in the Muslim world where respect & honor is very, very important to people.

Oh PLEASE. Can you cut the bs? Criminal activities seep through no matter how much people try to prevent them. Do you think no one is making efforts to keep bank fraud, rape, suicide and domestic violence from happening in a perfectly ordinary Western society? Have you seen the numbers?

I am ecstatic when I hear about Muslims who take local initiatives to keep the youngsters in their community from being exposed to ISIS propaganda for example. I really don't see any other way for ordinary Muslims to "all condemn or boycott terror ideals" and you still haven't told me how they're supposed to do that even though I asked you twice already. Not gonna ask you again because you and I know that you don't have a ****ing clue.

The only legitimate answer is that everyone in society, not just Muslims, should try to prevent Islamic terrorism from happening. Shoving the problem on helpless and divided Muslim communities is weak and lazy. Everyone with a brain knows that one of the key problems in the rise of Islamic terrorism is international political tension (good luck trying to change that as citizens) and the lack of a stabile cultural home that secures their identity. By collectively taking a stand against extremism of any kind by influencing what we can in our local environment and with the varying platforms we all have, I think we have a much bigger chance to combat violence than to choose for a lazy idealism such as: "This isn't my problem, you solve it because Muslims are supposed to care about respect and honor more than me, even though I live in a democratic country that is supposed to care about basic human values." Talk about being a sad excuse for a human being.