Katy Perry - Roar (The PRISMATIC WORLD TOUR LIVE)

[Bleachella 2,932]

Such an amazing tour   wish iI could've gone when she came to Florida

 

I watched it on Netflix tho, the whole thing looks like a huge party and like so much fun. Amazing tour that deserves all of its success

 

[ChasingGhosts 726]

Its weird watching this knowing I saw Gaga and so many other bands play on that same stage.  

[Navy 495]

You cannot produce stage presence and charisma

You guys can sure produce annoying comments

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

But you are still admitting that those vocal performances rank among her best.... That isn't impressive. You can't call those performances objectively great, especially when faced with better vocal performances from vocalists who are technically far superior. 
I'm not being hypocritical with Madonna, the focus of that performance wasn't her vocal ability it was her ability as a dancer. Throughout this conversation I have talked about Katy's main talent. We seem to be in agreement that Katy's main talent as a performer is her singing, my point is that Katy's main talent isn't outstanding - she wouldn't pass through a show like American Idol, a talent show that focuses on live singing.

It is Madonna's main talent as a dancer that captivates the audience and makes her a great performer. Katy's main talent as a performer seems to be her singing, that's what I have said numerous times during this conversation and it seems to be what you are also focusing on. Her singing is nice but is hardly exceptional. She just can't compete as a good performer.

You will notice I actually used three very different examples of a great performance. For Madonna that is her exceptional choreography, for Beyonce it is a mixture of flawless choreography and a powerful voice, for Gaga she excels when she is at her piano conveying emotion through her singing. What exactly is the talent that captivates the audience with Katy?

What I said is that MOST PEOPLE can sing and walk. Yes I can do that, not very well, but I'm not a performer. You are taking what I say very literally and not allowing for any level of nuance whatsoever in my speech. What I clearly meant by that statement is that walking around like that isn't a huge strain, it isn't going to affect your ability as a singer. Standing while singing and walking while singing isn't a huge task, it can be very impressive when you have a very strong vocalist whose main talent is being a magnificent singer. Walking around with a nice voice doesn't cut it, it doesn't make her a great performer. It isn't a strawman argument, it's just that you are lowering the bar so low for Katy. If the bar for a great performer is someone who can sing while walking around better than me then anybody with a somewhat nice voice is a great performer.

I don't know where this charm or charisma is coming from though.... You can clearly see it in the three videos that I linked... For those performers they are so at ease and have such an incredible talent that you get drawn in. What is drawing you into Katy? I still can't see any reason other than her massive celebrity. 

In terms of her VS performance, the girls actually walking have some sense of stage presence and charisma. I would argue more so than Katy, but I wouldn't in a million years dream of calling them great performers.

All I really want is for you to say something along the lines of:

"I'm a huge fan of Katy, I love her music and I feel like I know her, and therefore when she gets on stage I am captivated! Being a live performer isn't one of her main talents, but her work in the studio to craft perfect pop tunes and her cute and quirky image is what I respect and what makes me a fan!"

That I could totally 100% get. What I cannot possibly accept is that she is a great performer, my bar is clearly higher than yours.

I don't know how I got drawn in again to type all this crap out, but let's just end it. I'm not going to reply any more because neither of us are getting anywhere, especially when you are purposefully twisting what I say when talking about choreography or saying that most people can sing and walk at the same time.

Let's just agree that we have different standards when it comes to performers. What you look for in a performer is far different to what I look for in a performer. You can continue on stanning for Katy as a live performer, I'll continue stanning for artists that satisfy what I want to see in a live performance.

Why Katy has to be compared to other performers constantly? Her singing in those performances is great on it's own - her vocals are in the correct pitch/she sings in key, her vocals are powerful and sound confident & aren't shaky, and her breathe is better and more consistent. All that while she WALKS & JUMPS around the stage in high heels. Walking and jumping or just doing a 'simple' choreography around the stage while signing a song as difficult as Firework can easily strain all your breath out - It's not an easy task.
In her acoustic/ballad performances (whether she is playing the guitar or is just standing still/is walking slowly around the stage and interacting with the crowd), she channels a very strong emotion with her voice and lyrics and the audience can genuinely feel it and gets captivated. You have people in her shows singing and screaming along with her. I don't think a performer without a big and strong stage presence, charisma, and star quality would be able to do that, so Katy definitely does have something which draws the audience in. And don't use Kim Kardashian and models as examples to prove your point because models and Kim Kardashian aren't performers like Katy is.

YOU are the one who is twisting this argument. YOU are the one who changed the topic of this conversation from Katy's charm, charisma, and stage presence to whether she's an outstanding performer or not. Right after I proved you wrong, you changed the subject.And for the millionth time, no, that aura isn't her star power and celebrity. 
What did those VS models had to do with anything I said? They weren't even in any of the video I showed you! How did they even have any stage presence, charisma, or charm? Please, don't make me laugh. 

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

I don't get any emotion from Katy as a performer, I watched her whole live DVD and her phrases seemed forced etc. Like she seems so animated.

If she wasn't controlled by a mega corporate business then I think her talent would shine through. But it's hard to ignore that Katy is indeed a product/ manufactured. When she performs she seems very robotic and everything seems so planned out. If you watch he tour DVD someone gets proposed to during Unconditionally and it all seems so set up for PR, something artists like Madonna Bey wouldn't do .

Her show seems like it cost a lot to make visually to make, but what if we stipped all of that away? Her dancing and singing wouldn't be able to make the show as much as her visuals cover for.

Katy wouldn't be able to hold a very good ground with a stage like Gaga's ArtRAVE. All there was, was rave lights and a white backdrop with costume changes. Katy had Prismatic vision goggles for ticket holders, slings to throw her high into the air, props left and right, a stage double the size of Gaga's. etc.

LOL, Katy is not a manufactured product. She isn't controlled by a mega corporate business. Do you even know what you are talking about? I'm just gonna quote what I said in another thread: "Katy isn't created by a label. She is not a product nor a project. People who know her and have worked with her have said that she is heavily involved with every aspect of her career, music, and image, more than anybody else. She has the control and she is the boss. Even the CEO of Capitol said that Katy is the brain of her operation. Everything ranging from her songs to her albums, to her videos, to her art direction, to her performances, to her tours, to her outfits/looks, to her photoshoots, to her management and everything in between are from her own vision and mind. She worked very hard and never let anybody to control her and take away her artistic/creative vision, which is why she dropped out of Columbia records in 2004." http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sngs6k?new_post=true

Katy isn't "forced or animated". She is just being herself and the reason you might think everything is so 'planned out' is because Katy rehearsed a lot for this tour and put a lot of effort and thought into it and wanted it to be perfect. She wanted to give her KatyCats the best show that they've ever had. How is Katy 'robotic'? Explain, please. 

It's not PR - that proposal scene during Unconditionally went perfectly with the song and made it even more emotional and intimate (as if it wasn't already without it). God forbid Katy giving her spotlight to others for a moment! 

You should watch the Hello Katy Tour & the California Dreams Tour. In those two tours, the production was nowhere near The PRISMATIC World Tour's and Katy managed to still put on a great show and captivate the crowd. 

[Bebe 17,099]

Why Katy has to be compared to other performers constantly? Her singing in those performances is great on it's own - her vocals are in the correct pitch/she sings in key, her vocals are powerful and sound confident & aren't shaky, and her breathe is better and more consistent. All that while she WALKS & JUMPS around the stage in high heels. Walking and jumping or just doing a 'simple' choreography around the stage while signing a song as difficult as Firework can easily strain all your breath out - It's not an easy task.In her acoustic/ballad performances (whether she is playing the guitar or is just standing still/is walking slowly around the stage and interacting with the crowd), she channels a very strong emotion with her voice and lyrics and the audience can genuinely feel it and gets captivated. You have people in her shows singing and screaming along with her. I don't think a performer without a big and strong stage presence, charisma, and star quality would be able to do that, so Katy definitely does have something which draws the audience in. And don't use Kim Kardashian and models as examples to prove your point because models and Kim Kardashian aren't performers like Katy is.

YOU are the one who is twisting this argument. YOU are the one who changed the topic of this conversation from Katy's charm, charisma, and stage presence to whether she's an outstanding performer or not. Right after I proved you wrong, you changed the subject.And for the millionth time, no, that aura isn't her star power and celebrity. 
What did those VS models had to do with anything I said? They weren't even in any of the video I showed you! How did they even have any stage presence, charisma, or charm? Please, don't make me laugh. 

I'm going to repeat what I have already explained.

I'm comparing Katy to other performers because we are discussing her merits as a performer. The examples I have shown are what I constitute to be great performers/performances. I have explained that in those videos the charm, charisma and stage presence are derived from their unique talents as performers. That's not changing the subject.
 

Beyonce dances with ease, she looks comfortable. That gives her stage presence.
Amy sings and melts you with her voice, brings you into another world. She looks fragile and vulnerable but when that voice comes out of her body you are in awe. That's where her charm and charisma come from.

When Katy dances she looks awkward, she can't dance well - It doesn't look charming or charismatic.
When Katy sings it is nice, but nothing special - It's hardly a commanding performance.

Your explanations of her stage presence are so vague that there is no point arguing it. You said it is something indescribable, how then am I supposed to argue from that position? You cannot describe the stage presence you see, I can't see the stage presence so I gave examples of how these other artists have stage presence, what makes them so commanding on stage. It is their talent.

I have been trying to figure out the exact way Katy has stage presence, it's something I have actually been trying to press out of you. I have asked you time and time again, what is it about Katy that draws you in? I have asked and speculated it being her star quality and celebrity, I have tried desperately to see what you see in her and to figure out why you think she has stage presence. If you can't describe or explain how Katy has stage presence that's not a fault of mine. 

I started this entire conversation asking you how this was an "amazing" and "incredible" performance. From this I have gotten from you that this isn't one of her best performances, that she can't sing and dance well in this video, that she still has some unique stage presence and that this stage presence is indescribable and just some aura around her. Sorry that I'm not convinced by that. You can't explain what makes this performance amazing and you can't explain what makes Katy an amazing performer. The closest you have gotten is saying she has this charismatic stage presence. The problem is that you can't explain what this is, where you can see it and where it is from.

I have been able to provide examples of incredible performers and incredible performances and give reasons as to why these performers are charismatic and what creates their incredible stage presence. That's where we differ.

I didn't say VS models where in that video, but whatever. All I said is that the girls walking in the show have some sense of stage presence. They look confident, charismatic and in control. They, to me, look more commanding of the stage than Katy. I could be super vague and say the models have an aura a charm and stage presence that is indescribable, but that wouldn't fly. They look comfortable, they are not doing anything super hard which helps but neither is Katy when you see her walking and singing. 
 

I'm not impressed with Katy jumping, walking and singing on stage. That's not a good performance by any stretch of the imagination. You are trying so desperately to find one somewhat positive thing in her performances, as if I am saying she is the worst performer on the planet, and holding on to it as if it is evidence of her being up there with the great performers. Yeah there are people screaming in her shows, but like I have said they do that for Kim Kardashian. No, Kim isn't a performer but she gets on stage and people cheer and cry. Clearly celebrity can cause a similar reaction to the ones you are describing for Katy

 

[My Little Phoney 658]

why are we talking about this months after it aired?

[monsterdreams 1,529]

Nice start vut the song...

[Tropico 4,145]

I think my favorite performance from this tour is this one

 

Oh, this slayed.

 

OT: This performance is visually outstanding. A real spectacle. But vocally, it was just average (bordering on both bad and good sometimes). Her breath control has always been a problem for her and I wonder why.  Also her dancing wasn't very good. The Legendary Lovers video is better because she isn't really trying to dance so she doesn't look awkward. 

[Kattys 4,319]

Everytime i try to like Katy Perry but then i hear squeaky vocals and I just can't

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

I'm going to repeat what I have already explained.
I'm comparing Katy to other performers because we are discussing her merits as a performer. The examples I have shown are what I constitute to be great performers/performances. I have explained that in those videos the charm, charisma and stage presence are derived from their unique talents as performers. That's not changing the subject.
 

Beyonce dances with ease, she looks comfortable. That gives her stage presence.
Amy sings and melts you with her voice, brings you into another world. She looks fragile and vulnerable but when that voice comes out of her body you are in awe. That's where her charm and charisma come from.

When Katy dances she looks awkward, she can't dance well - It doesn't look charming or charismatic.
When Katy sings it is nice, but nothing special - It's hardly a commanding performance.

Your explanations of her stage presence are so vague that there is no point arguing it. You said it is something indescribable, how then am I supposed to argue from that position? You cannot describe the stage presence you see, I can't see the stage presence so I gave examples of how these other artists have stage presence, what makes them so commanding on stage. It is their talent.

I have been trying to figure out the exact way Katy has stage presence, it's something I have actually been trying to press out of you. I have asked you time and time again, what is it about Katy that draws you in? I have asked and speculated it being her star quality and celebrity, I have tried desperately to see what you see in her and to figure out why you think she has stage presence. If you can't describe or explain how Katy has stage presence that's not a fault of mine. 

I started this entire conversation asking you how this was an "amazing" and "incredible" performance. From this I have gotten from you that this isn't one of her best performances, that she can't sing and dance well in this video, that she still has some unique stage presence and that this stage presence is indescribable and just some aura around her. Sorry that I'm not convinced by that. You can't explain what makes this performance amazing and you can't explain what makes Katy an amazing performer. The closest you have gotten is saying she has this charismatic stage presence. The problem is that you can't explain what this is, where you can see it and where it is from.

I have been able to provide examples of incredible performers and incredible performances and give reasons as to why these performers are charismatic and what creates their incredible stage presence. That's where we differ.

I didn't say VS models where in that video, but whatever. All I said is that the girls walking in the show have some sense of stage presence. They look confident, charismatic and in control. They, to me, look more commanding of the stage than Katy. I could be super vague and say the models have an aura a charm and stage presence that is indescribable, but that wouldn't fly. They look comfortable, they are not doing anything super hard which helps but neither is Katy when you see her walking and singing. 
 

I'm not impressed with Katy jumping, walking and singing on stage. That's not a good performance by any stretch of the imagination. You are trying so desperately to find one somewhat positive thing in her performances, as if I am saying she is the worst performer on the planet, and holding on to it as if it is evidence of her being up there with the great performers. Yeah there are people screaming in her shows, but like I have said they do that for Kim Kardashian. No, Kim isn't a performer but she gets on stage and people cheer and cry. Clearly celebrity can cause a similar reaction to the ones you are describing for Katy

 

Didn't you said that you weren't going to reply anymore? What happened? At least if you are going to say something in an argument, stand by it. That says a lot about your credibility, IMO. 

In order for someone to be a great performer with stage presence, they don't have to be unique, outstanding, or the best at a particular area. 

Stage presence is being confident on stage and getting the crowd's attention. That is the official definition of it and no amount of sugar-coating that you're going to make will ever change it. What draws me into Katy as a performer is the fact that she has fun on stage, interacts/connects with the audience & gets them, conveys emotion (at least during her acoustic/ballad performances), and just looks/feels alive & passionate on stage. She owns the stage and kills it. 

Respect my opinion and I'll respect yours.

[ShockPop 7,747]

She looks and sounds traumatised. How is she so out of breath at the start of the song?

Wtf happened at 2:22?!

[mic 1,415]

You guys can sure produce annoying comments

? production is one thing and talent for stage presence is the other, I agree with you the production of the show is great.

[Bebe 17,099]

Didn't you said that you weren't going to reply anymore? What happened? At least if you are going to say something in an argument, stand by it. That says a lot about your credibility, IMO. 

In order for someone to be a great performer with stage presence, they don't have to be unique, outstanding, or the best at a particular area. 

Stage presence is being confident on stage and getting the crowd's attention. That is the official definition of it and no amount of sugar-coating that you're going to make will ever change it. What draws me into Katy as a performer is the fact that she has fun on stage, interacts/connects with the audience & gets them, conveys emotion (at least during her acoustic/ballad performances), and just looks/feels alive & passionate on stage. She owns the stage and kills it. 

Respect my opinion and I'll respect yours.

Yeah I said I didn't want to reply anymore, but it you're going to misrepresent what I say then I'm going to clarify  You asked me three questions. It's hard to answer without replying.

I don't think you know what sugar-coating means, but yeah. Like I have said, you have different bar when it comes to performances. You can continue stanning for Katy as a performer and I'll stick with those who meet my standards.
 

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

Didn't you said that you weren't going to reply anymore? What happened? At least if you are going to say something in an argument, stand by it. That says a lot about your credibility, IMO. 

In order for someone to be a great performer with stage presence, they don't have to be unique, outstanding, or the best at a particular area. 

Stage presence is being confident on stage and getting the crowd's attention. That is the official definition of it and no amount of sugar-coating that you're going to make will ever change it. What draws me into Katy as a performer is the fact that she has fun on stage, interacts/connects with the audience & gets them, conveys emotion (at least during her acoustic/ballad performances), and just looks/feels alive & passionate on stage. She owns the stage and kills it. 

Respect my opinion and I'll respect yours.

But Katy was never a dancer or performer before she came famous? 

She just stood at her guitar and sang, it's only after she became famous that it's as if her label said

"We need you to dance, to perform, be a pop star" 

Whereas many other had already been dancers before the fame, aka Madonna, Gaga, Beyonce, Britney. And even then when Katy has to rely on her singing, we have people like Christina and Adele