TiphEret 1,320 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Woman take clothes of for a show "so shocking" but p*rn is normal...yeah lol Sur le sable sur la neige, Sur les images dorées,Sur le front de mes amis, J’écris ton nom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperIz 7,338 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Not even gonna read all the comments because I'm sure they're hateful but queen of having trending topics on ggd Human generated art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I'm all for the body not being overly s-xualized and liberation of the body and I am so in support of this in theory. But practically, I see there being many problems. Sexual harassment being #1 Also, it's gonna be cold and eventually it would become uncomfortable being in the cold naked with milk on you. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiltedbliss 915 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 "Ran." Uh, no, I walked to this thread at quite a leisurely pace during a time I allot for myself to dragging, shading, and reading all that I see fit. If my comment was made on the first page, a few posts after the OP, then maybe you might be on to something, but I am afraid that you, like most people who are not me, are mistaken. "Like most people who are not me" Don't act above anyone, get over yourself. You clearly ran because you don't "want to see her naked or clothed" and yet, you open this thread to post a weak ass form of what you think is a "drag" or "shade". You wouldn't come in here if you didn't wanna see her. It's called logic. Look it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I stopped reading these replies because they are aggravating the **** out of me. I just hope she does it now as a "**** you" to all you s-xist judgmental mother****ers I personally wouldn't wanna go because I'm not comfortable with my body, so I wouldn't wanna be naked But I'd definitely go if I could go clothed!!! Nudity is a beautiful thing imo, and I'm so happy a huge star like her is expressing it without giving two ****s what anyone things. SHOW ME YOUR TITTIES MOMMA Even if you aren't comfortable, I bet you look fine naked, so never be hard on yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiltedbliss 915 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Even if you aren't comfortable, I bet you look fine naked, so never be hard on yourself Awwwwh, chic. You're too sweet. Thank you so much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,580 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 As I said, you are entitled to your view and I respect it. I however disagree on most points. Mostly you justifying Gaga by her musical quality and not using non musical aspects for attention and comparing it to Miley in a very unfounded way. First, Gaga doesnt make anymore artistic music in pure musical stand point than Miley; basica four chord top 40 generic pop music with quite silly lyrics (mostly). Then she elevates her art vy means of outfits, performance etc antics, as you say. Compared to Miley, there is nothing different. One might say that from musical perspective Mileys New album is much more innovative. Sure I consider over ALL Gaga to be superior singer and performed, but her art is not that much superior, its pop music.Secondly, how can you say only Gaga has a point of view or meaning in her art and is there for more artistic? You obviously have no idea of Mileys work as ofcourse she too has meaning and point of view in her art and is hencefore as much an artist as Gaga. Its matter of opinion which you prefer but it doesnt make The other null and void in artistic value. They are infact The same in value. Its BS to say Mileys performance art is not as artistic or with meaning as Gaga's.And I still think you have a very narrow view of s-xuality and nudity. You have good points view of female nudity, patriarchal and one sided, thats exactly what Miley is fighting against. I do NOT really agree with you at ALL. What's so bad in children seeing nudity?? It ALL natural and yet you are making a tabo of it still. But its you right to view it as such., though I think your view is more harmful for children...Honestly, I think Gaga's artistry is higher than Miley's for the most part. When something is higher in artistic merit, I accept performance around it a lot more because it's merely furthering something which is already excellent. But when something of lesser value is elevated with performance, it's just like costumes, dance moves and backdrops are meant to cover up how mediocre the song is. I have listened to all of Miley's albums, actually. Can't Be Tamed was ok for her her age, I liked Bangerz and Dead Petz would have been as equally good if it had been shortened down a lot and just considered of all the more serious songs. I just think Miley's lighthearted songs are just not as artistic as Gaga's lighthearted songs. She's especially gone quite graphic and borderline disgusting with some of her recent tunes as well (BB Talk, Bang Me Box, Milky Milky Milk). When Gaga tackles the issues of s-x, she does it in a much more appealing, adult way. When Miley does it, it's like she's a little kid who's just found out what s-x is. But I by no means think that just because I don't like an artist's work means it's empty of artistry. I'm just giving my opinion about what I consider artistic from my point of view. I really don't think Miey's fighting against how women are viewed with this one. This is why I find some ideas of third wave feminism hard to grasp. How does acting s-xually, which is what men want us to do, a way of sticking it to the men? How is taking off our clothes "doing what men do?" Men don't have to strip to attain power, so why should we do it? I'm sure most men would love to see naked women covered in milk, so exactly how is this s-xually liberating or helping how women are viewed? When Miley cut her hair really short like a boy's and grew and dyed her armpit hair - that was challenging the concepts of how women are viewed. Why? Because it doesn't conform with what the average man traditionally wants in a woman. But how is getting naked and covering yourself in a substance resembling semen going to challenge views of women if it's what the average man wants to see? I don't think such a view is harmful to children at all, I think children need to made to feel like they can be anything they want to be and shouldn't conform to the gender roles that are shoved towards them. If every woman became what society expected of her, all women would be one of two things - housewives/mothers or s-x industry workers. No, I don't think nudity in itself is directly harmful to children, especially in regards to educational nudity or accidentially catching sight of something unexpected. But other types definitely are. Kids learn about what's expected of them from what the media tell them, like it or not. I know my views on s-x and my own s-xuality were warped considerably due to inappropriate content at a young age and it took years to undo. Kids nowadays grow up in such a s-xualised society that it's difficult to keep them safe from this stuff and that's worrying.Why do you guys think she wants to shock people, or what makes you think that she's doing this just to stay relevant?, she is relevant, i mean you are talking about her. This is her project with The Flaming Lips, why aren't you guys talking **** about them too? they'll take their clothes off too just like Miley, is it because she's a woman? She's just feeling comfortable with her body, having fun! Plenty of people do this, it's just skin.The saddest thing about this is that this thread would be a lot different if it was about a male singer getting naked. She's not relevant in a mainstream way anymore, due to having her free music not being able to chart. Her Dooo It video has barely any views or likes/dislikes. Her VMA performance got talked about for like, a day. She's not generating the interest that she did 2 years ago because she did it all back then. But you raised a point here - why aren't we talking about the guys in the band getting naked too? Well, that's part of my earlier points. I think for a bunch of men to be naked with a woman on stage sends a really dodgy message, not to mention the people in the crowd. Even when both genders are naked, the men always hold the power for they are stronger and can do more, ahem *damage* shall we say. Therefore, a bunch of them on stage with a naked woman, makes the whole situation look exploitative. And in the crowd, groping and assault could happen too. It goes on enough at fully-dressed concerts, so it would be amplified if everyone were naked. At the end of the day, a woman's career will always suffer much worse for nudity. You know how they say if an actor does full frontal in a movie, he'd get praised for bravery and his career would be fine but if an actress did it, she would be criticised and her career would be over? It's BS, but it's not a idea that's going away anytime soon. This is why the guys ultimately won't suffer any repercussions for this, but Miley would. So, as a whole, nothing about this does anything for feminism or womankind.Yes, it would indeed be different if it was a male star getting naked, because they seem to get away with it a lot more and don't really do explotational nudity, as mentioned above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow 1,582 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 @StrawberryBlondWell let's just agree to disagree. However, I must say that from objective stand point, Gaga doesnt have any higher artistic value than Miley or many else. Taking into account musical a--lysis etc. You cant argue that. But Prefering one more than other is a question of personal taste, a subjective matter, that is based on one's opinion. That cant be argued. So in that sence you have your opinion.Though it still raises a interesting dilemma in your argument, you hail one's art as artistic even when done in vile manner and involving nudity for the sake of it and for shock value, yet condemn others as bad and not artistic for doing the exactly same thing. :)But enough of this. Im not trying to change your opinion, just to remind you that its only an opinion, not a fact. The fact is that both have equal value as artists and their methods of expressing art (quite similar actually), some just prefer The other. Matter of taste.PS. Issues with nudity are still weird to me as an European... Glad I don't live where you do ;) (thats not meant as insult) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,580 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 @StrawberryBlondWell let's just agree to disagree. However, I must say that from objective stand point, Gaga doesnt have any higher artistic value than Miley or many else. Taking into account musical a--lysis etc. You cant argue that. But Prefering one more than other is a question of personal taste, a subjective matter, that is based on one's opinion. That cant be argued. So in that sence you have your opinion.Though it still raises a interesting dilemma in your argument, you hail one's art as artistic even when done in vile manner and involving nudity for the sake of it and for shock value, yet condemn others as bad and not artistic for doing the exactly same thing. :)But enough of this. Im not trying to change your opinion, just to remind you that its only an opinion, not a fact. The fact is that both have equal value as artists and their methods of expressing art (quite similar actually), some just prefer The other. Matter of taste.PS. Issues with nudity are still weird to me as an European... Glad I don't live where you do ;) (thats not meant as insult)Like I said, I have difficulty explaining why Gaga can do such indecent artistic impressions at times and still be weirdly beautiful and compelling. I guess there's just something about her. And you can tell she's in it for the art and the message. Maybe that's what makes it better. Because so many people do controversial art merely for attention and that's a different thing from making an artistic statement, in my view.You're entitled to your opinion too. It's just that I like to present views that make people question things they may have not thought of and make them question why they have the views they do. And I'm a European too, I'm from the UK. ;) I think it's a bit of a myth that all Europeans are totally supportive of nudity. I mean, decency laws exist in our countries for reasons. Really, I'm not a prude. I support s-xuality in lots of forms, just as long as there's certain restrictions placed to ensure everyone is safe and I don't like to see s-x put out for sale, in any way that is exploitative or dangerous. Basically, I think s-x should be a private thing. I think it's a shame that I'm considered a prude for thinking so by some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sia 314 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 bless? Don't be insecure if you heart is pure, you're still good to me if you're a bad kid baby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Anatomy 2,284 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Some people may see this as a desperate (and cheap) attempt at attention; and it very well may be. However, I really enjoyed the artistic direction that Miley took with her "Dead Petz" album, and after hearing the record I feel that a nude performance would contrast with the music well. As long as it is executed well I have no issue with it, and I commend her for having the balls (as a mainstream pop star) to take her art to the next level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sableye 574 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Im just pumped for the headlines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy 15 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I mean, I guess it's discussion worthy. Not sure the significance of it, but I'm not really planning on attending, so I guess I don't care about finding out/accidently-making-an-excuse-for-the-attention-wh0ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 3,605 Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 poor girl being grabbed by the hair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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