Rihanna's 8th Album "ANTI" Revealed

[Snow 1,582]

Im not.  And what you said is irrelevant because she writes every single one of her screen treatments. Every single one. Gaga is an artist by every definition.

Shes been theatrically trained over ten years. She took classical lessons for half her life. She went to Tisch. The only commonality she has with Rihanna is they make pop records.... which are nothing alike, and share no commonality on how they are created.

Its not hate because I could care less about her. I could call Rihanna an artist in a very limited sense of the word, meaning she sings. But thats it. To compare her to Lady Gaga on any level.... is laughable. Sorry Gaga has earned it. There is a difference between real art and what the industry tells you is art.   Any true artist in any sense of the word will tell you that. Go to New York tell the struggling Broadway Actors, songwriters, dancers that Rihanna makes "art" they will laugh at you . 

 

Perhaps Rihanna pointed a finger or two, maybe wrote some songs as OP mentioned. Great, its progress and im happy to recognize that. But she is a far cry from gaga.

I dont want to argue with you and as I said Gaga is an artist ofcourse. But you are making huge assumption of people's working process that we cant know. You don't know how involved Gaga is in reality, NOR Rihanna. Don't even try to say that, we don't know for fact.

Now the reality is that no matter what you said, ARTPOP is nothing more than generic most basic four chord top 40 pop songs, just like Rihanna. No matter how many Mona Lisas one wears or you pose for Koons. So how is that art and what Rihanna does is not? (Please note that Im being overly harsh for The sake of proving a point) There's NOTHING more artistic in Gaga's actual work, same pop songs with many writers and producers. The most out there piece is almost a cover...

IIm not trying to put down Gaga, ofcourse I fiND her way more talented than Rihanna, but you are waaaay over playing Gaga's artistic contribution in order to put down Rihanna. 

[scorpion 409]

I dont want to argue with you and as I said Gaga is an artist ofcourse. But you are making huge assumption of people's working process that we cant know. You don't know how involved Gaga is in reality, NOR Rihanna. Don't even try to say that, we don't know for fact.

Now the reality is that no matter what you said, ARTPOP is nothing more than generic most basic four chord top 40 pop songs, just like Rihanna. No matter how many Mona Lisas one wears or you pose for Koons. So how is that art and what Rihanna does is not? (Please note that Im being overly harsh for The sake of proving a point) There's NOTHING more artistic in Gaga's actual work, same pop songs with many writers and producers. The most put there piece is almost a cover...

IIm not trying to put down Gaga, ofcourse I fiND her way more talented than Rihanna, but you are waaaay over playing Gaga's artistic contribution in order to put down Rihanna. 

I guess going off an artists track record, credits, biography, relationship with their fans , and visible passion isnt enough ? 

Look if if were Gaga or if were someone from the street who became famous I wouldnt care. Truly. Its the principle. And thats whats so great about loving Gaga is the fans come from everywhere. Including Rihanna fans . Yes im being critical of Rihanna, im also critical of Gaga at times. Its okay, fans deserve to muse. And thats all we can do. 

As far as the process.... go youtube interviews, behind the scenes or what her peers say of working with her. Theyll tell you her level of input.

 

 

[Creyk 18,059]

There were rumors that this was gonna be surprise released yesterday at midnight but looks like that didn't happen

I wonder when will we get further details. I mean all of this buzz is supposed to at least support a single, no?

[Snow 1,582]

I guess going off an artists track record, credits, biography, relationship with their fans , and visible passion isnt enough ? 

Look if if were Gaga or if were someone from the street who became famous I wouldnt care. Truly. Its the principle. And thats whats so great about loving Gaga is the fans come from everywhere. Including Rihanna fans . Yes im being critical of Rihanna, im also critical of Gaga at times. Its okay, fans deserve to muse. And thats all we can do. 

As far as the process.... go youtube interviews, behind the scenes or what her peers say of working with her. Theyll tell you her level of input.

 

 

erm you really didnt say anything there... And no, we still dont know the absolutely truth how each works. So no point arguing. My point is just that don't try to put down an another Artist based on assumptions. :) In The grand scheme of things, they are both just mainstream pop stars/artists, neither one is Mozart or Picasso. 

This is quite OT, so we should stop :) 

[VenusBlackStar 1,301]

I can see why a lot of y'all don't like it but IMO it's got the look and title of something ICONIC.

[StrawberryBlond 15,032]

I actually want more songs like 45seconds and american oxygens. It's a whole lot more interesting. Come on, Rihanna. **** the charts

I didn't like 45S, but BBHMM grew on me massively and AO was awesome. The snippets sound good too. I too hope she just decides to forget about hits this era at least and just focus on making a good album and becoming a more grown up singer. She can't be making generic hits forever and be successful with them, so an artistic growth like this, as she's in her late 20's, seems about right.

I agree with some parts of this but tbh i ask the question are we expecting too much of Rihanna and is it really the album that we want ?

I guess you could say GGGB and LOUD were her most iconic due to their creative and thematic agenda but overall Rihanna is more of a singles Artists her albums are always overlooked as a body of work and it took her a red wig to make LOUD as an album a THING i guess. Everyone since Pon De Reply kept expecting smash singles and nothing more this is evidential with her impressive top 10 and number one hits in comparison to her collection of albums that miss the number one mark on Billboard. This trend follows cause believe it or not at least 25% of every Rihanna album are filler tracks and you can't argue much since there is a year turn around between each album. I'm Trying to say that all Rihanna needs to keep thriving is to deliver with her singles from a commercial stand point in order to keep her aura going strong , so her album covers might mean nothing to an extent. I think the issue that sent everyone into a dilemma with her is the 3 singles we got so far are far from the commercial hits that have been appreciated on a world wide basis , people are waiting for her usual bang but it is nowhere to be found and you'd think that with 3 years she could finally create an album that acts as a bang as whole but i'm afraid this album will just be along the lines of experimental pleasure and while that may be pleasing to some such as you it could eventually lead to the downfall of Rihanna as it could upset the public they waited 3 years and have not gotten there annual share of hits from her thus leading to poor commercial performance that is my theory at least based on what i can see so far. One has to remember that we are in an age where artistry is highly criticized.  Especially in the case of Rihanna where she has followed a routine for 7 albums , breaking free of it won't be easy if she want the same acclaim she got in the past. 

Well, understand I'm not speaking as a fan. I'm speaking as someone who finds a lot of her music good but not excellent (and I'm certainly not keen on her as a person, to put it mildly). I'm just looking for good music, regardless of who it's coming from. And I want to see something truly good from Rihanna to justify all those hits and fame. But asking if it's the album the fans want...well, that's a topic I bring up here periodically. It's no secret that this venture has split Rihanna's fans. Half of them love it and want this to be her new direction, the other half feel like they're being deprived of their usual bops and effortless slayage from their fave and want her to give up being artistic and go back to be being mainstream next time. Please note that I can be somewhat lukewarm as regards experimental stuff. I like how Gaga hits the mark just right but I'm averse to experimental that requires a phD to understand and makes bizarre production choices and is just weird for the sake of being weird. Rihanna is being experimental for her standards but not too experimental as a whole. I'm sure the public would have taken to it a lot more if she'd only promoted the songs properly. She barely did any live performances, especially international ones, cancelled a planned BRITS performance, made unusual music videos and remained oddly elusive and unreachable. Pretty much like Gaga did during ARTPOP. It was almost as if she wanted to fail, which was very unusual.

Your theory is exactly what I've been thinking too. She has done so many risks this era and they've really not paid off - waiting 3 years to release an album, releasing experimental singles, not giving very much information about the album in all this time, exhibiting a very symbolic, polarising album cover...This isn't what the public are after and it may not even be what her long time fans are after. But note that the public don't really care where their hits are coming from, as long as they're being made by someone. That's the reason why a lot of popstars fade away after a few years - the public moves on quick. It honestly surprises me that Rihanna hasn't been replaced in all these years but this is the album that could finally cause the hits to stop. TTT was very urban for 2011 (hence why the only singles that made it big were the dance pop ones), Unapologetic was also very urban for 2012 and was her most experimental to date (hence why the 2 mainstream ballads were the only successful singles). And with this album, 45S was a more minor hit and failed to hit #1 in most terriotories, BBHMM didn't take off and AO...most people aren't even aware it exists. Rihanna has been walking a very fine line over the last two albums. She has managed to be experimental but still manage to remain successful. The chances of her carrying it off for a third consecutive album and beyond, is doubtful. I think the public is reaching a point where they realise she's changed a lot and isn't the fun pop girl anymore. But maybe she wants that - maybe she wants to be thought of as a credible artist who's so much more than commercial pop from here on out. Her music has always been very young and she can't sing this stuff at her concerts in her 40's. Naturally, she's looking for a more mature sound that'll be timeless and something she can sing when she's older and be proud of. Maybe she too releases she's had a decade of pop success and now it's time to do her own thing.

 

[Navy 495]

You guys can be so disgusting, stop arguing about bull****. This thread isn't a war zone.

[Ferrer Zorola 3,966]

There were rumors that this was gonna be surprise released yesterday at midnight but looks like that didn't happen

I wonder when will we get further details. I mean all of this buzz is supposed to at least support a single, no?

IKR like... where's the new single? this announcement seems as random as it's era 

[scorpion 409]

I think this is why trolls exist. Lol maybe I should grow up and become a stan troll 

[TheOriginalOne 11,145]

I love that cover. Her best one  

[Alcina Dimitrescu 1,157]

wow, it took ya'll 15+ pages before you finally brought Gaga into this. Progress, my children! Progress~

OT; it's alright. I'll probably give the album a listen when it comes out 

can you stop being mad at Gaga being a point of reference in a Gaga forum? when you're able to let go your hatred, you can try again

 

 

[Yanko 9,860]

the cover art is amazing

best this year 

[Hexxx 2,244]

It's kinda hipnotic. Idk why but I can see the girl shaking

[gagzus 16,302]

All these black artists seem to be acting as if they're the epitome of artistic all of a sudden; Nicki, Kanye, Rih, Bey, Jay they all think that money & popularity magically makes them artistic when on their previous works they've never mentioned art, artistic references, artists or anything. 

I'm not saying Gaga is some magically new and original person but it's obvious Gaga has been on this from the beginning and before her career, she's been smart about it. Her attitude clearly has set trends amongst the industry never mind how her music changed the trend on radio from alt & sad to bubbly and electronic.

But on ANTI, let's be real here the only decent song so far has been BBHMM but it was still pretty bad and more kanye than rihanna, the cover is good i love it but let's not pretend all these celebrities are suddenly artists or art enthusiasts when they've not shown any influences before. Rihanna is still a celebrity and still needs autotune and needs writing CAMPS or have anything to do with the actual production of a song. Sure she can listen to it and say if she likes it or not but she can hardly do anything else but stand there and pretend she knows what she's doing. This isn't a drag either it's fact in all honesty  

 

[Yanko 9,860]

 Kanye,  they all think that money & popularity magically makes them artistic when on their previous works they've never mentioned art, artistic references, artists or anything. 

 

 

well you clearly have no idea what you're talking about 

kanye has always been like this lmao same for jay z