Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I'm pretty sure there are way worse countries than Russia..Russia isn't a global threat to civilians. They may not be perfect, but neither is the U.S./EU or China for that matter. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socotra 3,357 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I honestly think Putin is obsessed with restoring Russia to the global status the USSR held... it's sad that he's chosen the militaristic route instead of becoming more integrated economically. Maybe I'm missing something, but how is Russia directly threatened by ISIS? They support Assad, sure, but aside from that, I feel like they're going into this more for political than doing the right thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34399164Russia has begun carrying out air strikes in Syria against opponents of President Bashar al-Assad - instead of targetting only the ISIS!Yeah, the air strikes weren't in IS controlled territory, but most likely military positions that they occupy. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I honestly think Putin is obsessed with restoring Russia to the global status the USSR held... it's sad that he's chosen the militaristic route instead of becoming more integrated economically. Maybe I'm missing something, but how is Russia directly threatened by ISIS? They support Assad, sure, but aside from that, I feel like they're going into this more for political than doing the right thing. I agree, their air strikes won't be any more effective than the U.S. just adding to the over all volume of bombing. Putin stated that he was hoping for a more cooperative relationship with the U.S. because of this which leads me to believe that economic sanctions over the Ukraine are hurting them . like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,162 Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 And U.S will join to them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocaine Heart 4,768 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The war is awfull but the world can not continue looking the other way. ISIS are killing childrens, hanging people, burning entire villages, destroying ancient monuments. They must be stopped They aren't targeting ISIS. They are targeting the rebel groups fighting against ISIS. We going to boo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastix 66 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Lol this is only a cover, they are really targeting the protests against Assad, not ISIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 The war is awfull but the world can not continue looking the other way. ISIS are killing childrens, hanging people, burning entire villages, destroying ancient monuments. They must be stopped IS has killed way, way less civilians than Assad's regime. Assad is the problem there, and without him IS would've had way less supporters. It's in Russia's geopolitical agenda to keep Assad in power and they seem to fight moderate rebel groups mostly, rather than IS. Russia wants to destabilize countries to make them dependent on Russia, and they see the refugee crisis in Europe as a perfect chance to destabilize Europe. I hope the NATO stays out of this mess completely. Let Russia have their moment of shame, and behind the doors try to diplomatically compromise with Assad/Russia to stop the war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 IS has killed way, way less civilians than Assad's regime. Assad is the problem there, and without him IS would've had way less supporters. It's in Russia's geopolitical agenda to keep Assad in power and they seem to fight moderate rebel groups mostly, rather than IS. Russia wants to destabilize countries to make them dependent on Russia, and they see the refugee crisis in Europe as a perfect chance to destabilize Europe. Voice of reason. Thank you. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee 2,528 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 IS has killed way, way less civilians than Assad's regime. Assad is the problem there, and without him IS would've had way less supporters. It's in Russia's geopolitical agenda to keep Assad in power and they seem to fight moderate rebel groups mostly, rather than IS. Russia wants to destabilize countries to make them dependent on Russia, and they see the refugee crisis in Europe as a perfect chance to destabilize Europe.I hope the NATO stays out of this mess completely. Let Russia have their moment of shame, and behind the doors try to diplomatically compromise with Assad/Russia to stop the war.It's not the destabilization of countries that Putin's government is seeking. The war in Syria seems in reality a conflict of interests between Qatar and Saudi monarchies on one side and Russian government on the other side.The world is likely to witness a major shift in the landscape of oil market if the US lifts its ban on the oil exports, and, given the scale of the technology developments there, it's likely to happen very soon. If the US enters the oil market as the new major exporter, the export shares of other exporters will dip as the world demand for oil isn't growing fast enough. Qatar and Saudi economies are extremely dependent on the oil exports, and if their share in the world oil exports is to go down because of the US exports, they must find a way to compensate the financial losses caused by the US oil exports.The natural gas pipeline to Europe would be a perfect solution for Qatar and Saudi Arabia, since Europe is a prosperous region that has a growing demand for natural gas. If you take a look at the map, you will see that the shortest route of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey to Greece lies through Syria. Qatar and Saudi Arabia try to take Assad down to place a new government in Syria, a government that will agree to have a gas pipeline run across its land. Russia is supporting Assad to never let the Qatar gas stream to Europe through Syria, because Qatar gas is a lot cheaper than Russian and threatens to squeze Russia from European natural gas market. Many people are quick to label such things as conspiracy, while in fact for the governments it's just 'business' and the issues worth billions and billions of dollars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatica 13,698 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 They aren't targeting ISIS. They are targeting the rebel groups fighting against ISIS. Uhm, where did you get that from? I need the receipts! I didn't ask for a free ride, I only asked you to show me a real good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatica 13,698 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It's not the destabilization of countries that Putin's government is seeking. The war in Syria seems in reality a conflict of interests between Qatar and Saudi monarchies on one side and Russian government on the other side.The world is likely to witness a major shift in the landscape of oil market if the US lifts its ban on the oil exports, and, given the scale of the technology developments there, it's likely to happen very soon. If the US enters the oil market as the new major exporter, the export shares of other exporters will dip as the world demand for oil isn't growing fast enough. Qatar and Saudi economies are extremely dependent on the oil exports, and if their share in the world oil exports is to go down because of the US exports, they must find a way to compensate the financial losses caused by the US oil exports.The natural gas pipeline to Europe would be a perfect solution for Qatar and Saudi Arabia, since Europe is a prosperous region that has a growing demand for natural gas. If you take a look at the map, you will see that the shortest route of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey to Greece lies through Syria. Qatar and Saudi Arabia try to take Assad down to place a new government in Syria, a government that will agree to have a gas pipeline run across its land. Russia is supporting Assad to never let the Qatar gas stream to Europe through Syria, because Qatar gas is a lot cheaper than Russian and threatens to squeze Russia from European natural gas market. Many people are quick to label such things as conspiracy, while in fact for the governments it's just 'business' and the issues worth billions and billions of dollars. Okay let it be that, BUT, people that were rebelling against Assad are Syrians, you can't apply your conspiracy theory to them right?I mean, let's say for a sec that it's a war between 2 of the biggest middle east powers (Saudi Arabia and Qatar), a man holding a certain power should NOT kill people because they are rebelling. I mean there are numerous ways to sit down and talk to rebels instead of killing them, that just made the situation worse. At the end of the day, if it was a democracy, the majority should have voted YES, and if people show aggressivly that they don't agree with Assad, there must be a reason for that. I didn't ask for a free ride, I only asked you to show me a real good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It's not the destabilization of countries that Putin's government is seeking. The war in Syria seems in reality a conflict of interests between Qatar and Saudi monarchies on one side and Russian government on the other side.The world is likely to witness a major shift in the landscape of oil market if the US lifts its ban on the oil exports, and, given the scale of the technology developments there, it's likely to happen very soon. If the US enters the oil market as the new major exporter, the export shares of other exporters will dip as the world demand for oil isn't growing fast enough. Qatar and Saudi economies are extremely dependent on the oil exports, and if their share in the world oil exports is to go down because of the US exports, they must find a way to compensate the financial losses caused by the US oil exports.The natural gas pipeline to Europe would be a perfect solution for Qatar and Saudi Arabia, since Europe is a prosperous region that has a growing demand for natural gas. If you take a look at the map, you will see that the shortest route of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey to Greece lies through Syria. Qatar and Saudi Arabia try to take Assad down to place a new government in Syria, a government that will agree to have a gas pipeline run across its land. Russia is supporting Assad to never let the Qatar gas stream to Europe through Syria, because Qatar gas is a lot cheaper than Russian and threatens to squeze Russia from European natural gas market. Many people are quick to label such things as conspiracy, while in fact for the governments it's just 'business' and the issues worth billions and billions of dollars. That is probably true, hadn't read that way of thinking before. But at the same time it is also true that Putin tries to destabilize his friend countries in any possible way, if they are in 'danger' of getting a Western-minded government. This happened to Ukraine, now Syria and will probably happen in Moldova next. What I hope is that the NATO doesn't intervene in Syria and lets Putin have his moment of national shame. Russia has a weak army and couldn't even invade East-Ukraine thanks to small sanctions and voluntary fascist Ukrainian military groups.But Putin knows they can't fight IS, and that's not what they want to do. They simply want to keep Assad in power and they want to make sure there will be the least possible Western influence. It's a huge mistake what Putin is doing and anything in the Middle East is too complicated to fix with his opportunist, short-term minded policies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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