Chrissie Hynde controversially suggests that rape can be the victims fault

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

Then don't respond back, but I'm going to comment when I disagree with a post, especially when it is something I feel strongly about. If you don't want a discussion, simply don't respond. 

Yet you're the one who keeps doing it...not me

 

Plus...there were others  who made a similar point to what I was saying yet you once again chose to respond to me?

 

Arguing isn't discussing...I'm not here to argue 

 

[Admin 24,441]

maybe we should teach boys something when theyre young too?? maybe? like maybe not rape or s-xual assault women or blame women for their own actions constantly? maybe if we taught that first, we could allow our daughters to roam around at night in her underwear. maybe we should just teach men to not do bad things to women....

Maybe, if we lived in a perfect world.

[Kayla 7,595]

What situation would that be? The one where females trust males who are friends  and family members...because approximately 4/5 of assaults are committed by someone known to the victim. 

This 85 per cent aren't walking down a backroad at night in a their underwear, while being drunk and high. 

Looking at the stats we do have you are right- when 80% of the rapes that happen are NOT the stereotypical kind people tend to reference when trying to shift some of the blame to women, trying to say that for a woman to be safe she should wear different clothing is ignorant. 

And frankly, my outfit shouldn't determine my level of safety. I shouldn't have to worry about being robbed when I wear expensive jewelry, and I shouldn't have to worry about being raped if I wear a mini skirt. 

(Where do you even draw the line at "too provocative" anyways? If it's about ease-of-access, sure- a rapist will have an easier time getting into my vagina if I'm wearing a mini skirt than pants, but what if I'm wearing a modest summer dress? I look damned cute in my summer dresses, and wearing one wouldn't be slutty- so would I still be partially at fault for making it easier for the rapist? Or is it strictly about how "slutty" you look? Which even then I feel is oppressing to women and offensive to men because you're basically saying they're weak-willed animals who can't control urges.)

 

You have a problem? 

You know what enhances the chances of s-xual assault? Being a female. Being around males, including teachers and family members. What do you expect females to do about that? Especially when they are too young to even understand that something like that could even happen. 

Percentage of s-xual assault and rape victims under the age of 12: 15 percent

How are you going to blame them? Did they wear something they shouldn't have? 

I do want to point out that males are raped via forced penetration (they are coerced, d--gged, etc. to have s-x with someone else), but by the CDC definition of "rape" it's not considered "rape" so it isn't documented statistically in their a--lysis. It's very unfortunate, but it's frequently ignored data worth noting. 

It's also worth noting because men don't typically dress provocatively, so them (and child rape) are good examples to bring up to show that it's not about how the victim looks. 

[Kayla 7,595]

I guess...I do believe girls (and boys) should be taught to keep themselves safe. But in my opinion, they should be taught ways to be safe that don't limit their freedom of expression or s-xuality. They should never fear for their life based on how they look or what they're wearing. They should never feel at fault for being taken advantage of. The thought "Well maybe my dress was too slutty..." should never cross my daughter's mind if she's raped. I'd rather teach her to not be vulnerable, to be able to hold her own, and to be the kind of person that a rapist would skip over. And based on actual research/data we have about intentions of rapists, she can be all those things in a miniskirt. 

[Admin 24,441]

Looking at the stats we do have you are right- when 80% of the rapes that happen are NOT the stereotypical kind people tend to reference when trying to shift some of the blame to women, trying to say that for a woman to be safe she should wear different clothing is ignorant. 

Back to my robbery example, although I don't know the stats, I'm pretty sure that forgetting to lock your doors is not the main reason they happen either. People will security systems get robbed, even Swiss banks get robbed. That doesn't change the fact that we all still lock our doors every day.

Everyone keeps talking about how things should be but this is a discussion about reality, and unfortunately in our reality women are at risk of being raped, that's why they need to be extra careful and not make themselves easy targets.

[AlexanderLevi2 5,849]

That's true, but if you had a daughter, would you let her walk alone in her underwear at night? 

the classic "would you let your daughter." We should be asking "would you let your son: rape a woman, give women d--gs so they can rape them, etc."

Your argument comes from a point of victim-blaming (whether you agree with that or not). Yes, rape isn't going to go away. But do you have receipts on the rates of rape that happen when a woman is dressed provocatively vs conservatively? Because you can't make that assumption then. There is no truth except the understanding that women are s-x objects. Instead of enforcing rules on women, we should be enforcing more rules on men. Because law enforcement gives zero ****s about rape. And once a woman comes out about being raped she is publicly humiliated.

 

I had a friend who was unknowingly video taped while she was giving head to a guy. He sent it around the school and she told the school about it. Other girls in her class called her a slut, disgusting and a terrible person because the guy is soooooo hot. Do you not see how women are treated in this society?

[Yanko 9,860]

well thats very stupid imo

 

[Admin 24,441]

the classic "would you let your daughter." We should be asking "would you let your son: rape a woman, give women d--gs so they can rape them, etc."

Your argument comes from a point of victim-blaming (whether you agree with that or not). Yes, rape isn't going to go away. But do you have receipts on the rates of rape that happen when a woman is dressed provocatively vs conservatively? Because you can't make that assumption then. There is no truth except the understanding that women are s-x objects. Instead of enforcing rules on women, we should be enforcing more rules on men. Because law enforcement gives zero ****s about rape. And once a woman comes out about being raped she is publicly humiliated.

I don't disagree with anything you said, but it's another post full of "we should" that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. The question is simple, if you had a daughter, and if she came to you TODAY saying that she's gonna go out and drink a lot and then go home alone in the middle of the night wearing a mini skirt, would you let her do that?

[SEVDALIZA 1,274]

I'm gonna basically say what has been said through these 4 pages but I'm gonna sum it up nice and easy.

Don't teach women how to dress, let them dress however they wish.

Teach boys not to rape people.

It's not that f*cking difficult, if you do not understand this you're honestly kinda f*cking dumb (!!!). Victim blaming only contributes to the problem. We should go after THE ONES WHO COMMIT THE CRIME, not tell the victims that MAYBE IT'S THEIR FAULT ://// and that they should be safer. nah. 

[grndmothrmonst 150]

I agree with her...dressing provocatively (most dress like this) increases your chances of being s-xually assaulted and even more so if you're going to a party with the intention of doing d--gs or getting drunk...

When you are no longer able to think clearly and are dressed like that...yeah guys may be more likely to take advantage of you. 

Rape isn't always VIOLENT...it can also be manipulating someone into doing things they didn't consent to s-xually...

Then you wake up with a hang over and your underwear around you ankles and wonder what happened to you...

rape is always violent. It's inherent in the term "rape"

[Yanko 9,860]

maybe we should teach boys something when theyre young too?? maybe? like maybe not rape or s-xual assault women or blame women for their own actions constantly? maybe if we taught that first, we could allow our daughters to roam around at night in her underwear. maybe we should just teach men to not do bad things to women....

  

 

[Yanko 9,860]

That's true, but if you had a daughter, would you let her walk alone in her underwear at night? 

a lot of women who are fully dressed get raped  as well tho 

 

[Admin 24,441]

a lot of women who are fully dressed get raped  as well tho 

A lot of houses that are fully protected get robbed as well. What's your point?

[Yanko 9,860]

A lot of houses that are fully protected get robbed as well. What's your point?

my point is that rape victims are not the problem

 

[Admin 24,441]

my point is that rape victims are not the problem

Neither are robbery victims. That doesn't change the fact that you should lock your doors if you don't want to get get robbed, and that women should be careful if they don't want to get raped.