Death of Sandra Bland to be treated like murder probe

[Kayla 7,595]

I'm not a fan of cops, a certain percentage of them are bullies who prefer to use force as the first option and have an authority complex.

But in this video, what really impressed me is how the women went out of her way to antagonize the cop. First, he only gave her a warning, when he could have gave her a ticket if he was prejudiced against her. He asked her nicely, said please, to put her cigarette out. Cop was doing his job, he shouldn't have to deal with second hard smoke, that's simple courtesy. Aslo you're supposed to obey basic requests of a cop like that

Yeah, cop should have given her another chance with more explanation before ordering her out of the car. He's partly guilty of escalating the situation. But when he does so repeatedly, she should know that resisting will get her into trouble. By the time the "epilepsy good" comment is made, she's cursed him and said much worse. Beyond that, it's hard to see if he used excessive force off camera or if she kicked him as he claims. 

Even if she was a rich white celeb, that pattern of behavior would get her arrested. (Although she wouldn't spend 3 spend days in prison and end up dead - but that's nothing to do with this traffic cop.)

SHE antagonized HIM?

She was visibly frustrated, wasn't being rude to him at first. He notices she's upset, asks her about it. She then vents to him, and he says:
"Are you done?"

Now you know that's a shady ass thing to say to someone when they're angry. 

For the record, he didn't give her an order, he said "do you mind putting that cigarette out?" He was nice about how he said it, yes. But it wasn't an order so no- she does not have to put it out. 

Also, he was out of line because Texas law states:
"...police could not extend the length of a routine traffic stop, even for just a few minutes, absent a safety related concern or reasonable suspicion to believe that the driver may have committed an additional crime....Authority for the seizure thus ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are — or reasonably should have been — completed."

Did she not already have the paperwork before he pulled the cigarette stunt? It was his time to walk away, not push further. 

He never actually ordered her to put it out- he worded it in a request that she rightfully could have refused. For him to let that situation go to where he's dragging her out of the car, saying "I'll light you up!" and yelling at her, yeah- he isn't just partly at fault for escalation, he gets most, if not all, of the blame. Can you really not understand why she'd be so upset and start raising her voice? She asked him multiple times why she was being put under arrest and he didn't give her an answer ONCE. 

 

A lot are, most are not. Take it from someone raised by law enforcement and military men. Believe me, they want the dirty ones gone because they need the trust of the community to do their jobs. Instances like this and injustices need to be reported so that stricter measures can be put into place to weed out the bad. But there ARE a lot of good ones, you just never hear of them.

I think the biggest problem that hurts police reputation is how easily they get off when things go wrong. "Paid administrative leave." If they were rightfully charged for their mistakes, the good ones wouldn't be lumped in with the bad. But now people see cops as people who can just get away with hurting others, which makes us less likely to support them as a whole. 

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

SHE antagonized HIM?

She was visibly frustrated, wasn't being rude to him at first. He notices she's upset, asks her about it. She then vents to him, and he says:
"Are you done?"

Now you know that's a shady ass thing to say to someone when they're angry. 

For the record, he didn't give her an order, he said "do you mind putting that cigarette out?" He was nice about how he said it, yes. But it wasn't an order so no- she does not have to put it out. 

Also, he was out of line because Texas law states:
"...police could not extend the length of a routine traffic stop, even for just a few minutes, absent a safety related concern or reasonable suspicion to believe that the driver may have committed an additional crime....Authority for the seizure thus ends when tasks tied to the traffic infraction are — or reasonably should have been — completed."

Did she not already have the paperwork before he pulled the cigarette stunt? It was his time to walk away, not push further. 

He never actually ordered her to put it out- he worded it in a request that she rightfully could have refused. For him to let that situation go to where he's dragging her out of the car, saying "I'll light you up!" and yelling at her, yeah- he isn't just partly at fault for escalation, he gets most, if not all, of the blame. Can you really not understand why she'd be so upset and start raising her voice? She asked him multiple times why she was being put under arrest and he didn't give her an answer ONCE. 

 

I think the biggest problem that hurts police reputation is how easily they get off when things go wrong. "Paid administrative leave." If they were rightfully charged for their mistakes, the good ones wouldn't be lumped in with the bad. But now people see cops as people who can just get away with hurting others, which makes us less likely to support them as a whole. 

I agree with everything you said. She clearly wanted to compromise with the cop despite her being rightfully angry and belligerent. The cop deserves punishment. Cops like these are the reasons why people make generalizations about the bad reputation of "ALL" cops. Of course there's a lot of good cops that harmless, not racist, and easy going like my uncle and cousin who are both white cops that wouldn't do what this nasty cop did but unfortunately my uncle and cousin would still get untrusted and it's understandable because you have these nasty cops like this texas one giving a bad name for all cops. It's not right to make generalizations over any category of people but you have to understand why people are angry. I'm angry because this woman didn't do anything wrong at all. She had her **** together and probably had a bright future all ruined because of this asshole of a cop. 

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[LoveandMagic 1,731]

I think the biggest problem that hurts police reputation is how easily they get off when things go wrong. "Paid administrative leave." If they were rightfully charged for their mistakes, the good ones wouldn't be lumped in with the bad. But now people see cops as people who can just get away with hurting others, which makes us less likely to support them as a whole. 

I agree. That's the result of the higher ups playing politics, they don't want to admit something went bad under their watch. 

[craig 680]

SHE antagonized HIM?

She was visibly frustrated, wasn't being rude to him at first. He notices she's upset, asks her about it. She then vents to him, and he says:
"Are you done?"

Now you know that's a shady ass thing to say to someone when they're angry. 

He never actually ordered her to put it out- he worded it in a request that she rightfully could have refused. For him to let that situation go to where he's dragging her out of the car, saying "I'll light you up!" and yelling at her, yeah- he isn't just partly at fault for escalation, he gets most, if not all, of the blame. Can you really not understand why she'd be so upset and start raising her voice? She asked him multiple times why she was being put under arrest and he didn't give her an answer ONCE. 

 

"Are you done" is pretty mild mannered. You really expect the cop to apologize for doing his job? He could have escalated here by giving her an angry lecture on traffic safety.

I'd rather live in a world where cops can say "please turn down the radio" or "please put out that cigarette" during a stop and expect to be obeyed, that one where they have to phrase everything "I order you" "in the name of the law.". If he did the latter, I'm sure people would call it antagonistic and authoritarian (I would).

I don't like his taser threat. They're supposed to be a non-lethal alternative to guns, not a torture device to make people comply in situations you'd never use a gun. He didn't need to be in such a bloody hurry to get her out of the car.

[Kayla 7,595]

"Are you done" is pretty mild mannered. You really expect the cop to apologize for doing his job? He could have escalated here by giving her an angry lecture on traffic safety.

I'd rather live in a world where cops can say "please turn down the radio" or "please put out that cigarette" during a stop and expect to be obeyed, that one where they have to phrase everything "I order you" "in the name of the law.". If he did the latter, I'm sure people would call it antagonistic and authoritarian (I would).

I don't like his taser threat. They're supposed to be a non-lethal alternative to guns, not a torture device to make people comply in situations you'd never use a gun. He didn't need to be in such a bloody hurry to get her out of the car.

I agree with your second and third paragraph, totally. But I also think if you're going to phrase something in a way that suggests that person has a choice, then you can't arrest them when they don't comply. Why would she have to put her cigarette out anyways? He had no more business there with her, he maybe had to say one more thing related to the ticket and then walk away. But he ends up arresting her for...for...hm, I'm not sure what because he didn't say what he was arresting her for. 

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Sandra Bland Was Murdered

Suicide or not, police are responsible for Sandra Bland's death

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/sandra-bland-was-murdered-20150724