Jjang 2,262 Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ghost town is a good song in spite of annoying Autotune. In fact it's an example of a musical direction I could see Gaga taking.BIM is just horrid. Overall she's had a bad set of music between MDNA and Rebel Heart. She should be setting the standard for a mature, well respected pop artist. That doesn't means she has to "act her age", but reaching down to disney pop audiences just seems desperate and much of MDNA and Rebel Heart seem targeted that way.Honest, good pop music that doesn't seem like a desperate grab for attention would do wonders for her. Why does everyone forget that Adele existed and slayed pop radio? Good music that is outside the "norm" will get played. Madonna is above playing the games she has been. It seems more like she's trying to feel young herself by associating with trendy current pop acts than being the leader that she should be. I agree.For me, Madonna's musicality has always been exciting because she was continuously adventours and as a result came out with some winning musical formulas / recipes. A prime perfect example of that would be Ray of Light, Confessions or Erotica.Nowadays she seems to have lost her interest in experimenting with new sounds. I mean, Diplo? really? out of all producers? so lame. She used to pick her producers according to her personal taste and produce an album with maybe 1 or 2 other producers (max). Now she's all over the place trying to hunt all the biggest names in the world in order for her to stay commercially relevant, which is obviously not working for her. However, I still believe she is capable of making at least one more great album, but the problem is whether she's willing or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houdini 103 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I agree.For me, Madonna's musicality has always been exciting because she was continuously adventours and as a result came out with some winning musical formulas / recipes. A prime perfect example of that would be Ray of Light, Confessions or Erotica.Nowadays she seems to have lost her interest in experimenting with new sounds. I mean, Diplo? really? out of all producers? so lame. She used to pick her producers according to her personal taste and produce an album with maybe 1 or 2 other producers (max). Now she's all over the place trying to hunt all the biggest names in the world in order for her to stay commercially relevant, which is obviously not working for her. However, I still believe she is capable of making at least one more great album, but the problem is whether she's willing or not.Musically, Rebel Heart is better than MDNA. People base their opinion on Bithc I'm Madonna, the only truly immature and childish song on the album. The rest is very mature with some great lyrics and some great melody. I agree with the fact she's trying too much to stay relevant by choosing commercially successful producers, but at the final the result is better than her last two albums (MDNA & HC). This time around, she has a theme for the era, the Rebel and Heart fighting which was missing for the last era. I hope she understands that trying to be relevant by creating music for the younger audience is not working because younger people will never fallow her. She must focus on her hard fans, the ones between 25 to 40. It's them that buy music and buy tickets concert. It's time for her to create a Ray of Light or a Confessions smashing comeback era, If you look at her career there's always 2-3 less successful album after a smashing one, hope it will be the next one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Now when she's told to stop trying to act young she pulls off a video like Bitch I'm Madonna.Point is : do not try to define her / tell her what to do, because that will just trigger her to do it as a form of resistance.first of all, artists should respond to the world by creating art, not dross like Bitch I'm Madonna.second of all, she should be happy that people are trying to define her, because otherwise she'd have nothing to sing about. Although, it's no longer about people trying to define her like they used to, nowadays they're just rolling their eyes at her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 first of all, artists should respond to the world by creating art, not dross like Bitch I'm Madonna.second of all, she should be happy that people are trying to define her, because otherwise she'd have nothing to sing about. Although, it's no longer about people trying to define her like they used to, nowadays they're just rolling their eyes at her.Artists should respond to the world however they want to, thats why its called art.second of all, she should be happy that people are trying to define her, because otherwise she'd have nothing to sing about.I don't understand what you mean by that.Nope, ever since she turned 40 people kept complaining about her doing pop records, dressing s-xually and being provocative. People were already telling her to act her age when she premiered Hung Up.They are most definitely trying to define her.Obviously you're not interested in discussing her in an unbiased manner so my work here is done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Artists should respond to the world however they want to, thats why its called art.second of all, she should be happy that people are trying to define her, because otherwise she'd have nothing to sing about.I don't understand what you mean by that.Nope, ever since she turned 40 people kept complaining about her doing pop records, dressing s-xually and being provocative. They are most definitely trying to define her.Bitch I'm Madonna is not art. And when she turned 40, Madonna started running away from her old songs because she thought she would become the female Bob Dylan. "I could never sing Vogue again", "I'm not gonna be making pop music when I'm 50" etc.... quite AGEIST of her.Then her attempt to become John Lennon failed, and suddenly she was lipsyncing to Vogue again and singing Like a Virgin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 first of all, artists should respond to the world by creating art, not dross like Bitch I'm Madonna. second of all, she should be happy that people are trying to define her, because otherwise she'd have nothing to sing about. Although, it's no longer about people trying to define her like they used to, nowadays they're just rolling their eyes at her. "Creating art" is so devoid of any meaning though (and the art connoisseurs on GGD don't define what is and isn't art) I also don't know if you're trying to imply that every song on RH is on the same content as BIM because that's just not the case - Idk why people criticise HC anyway, to me it's a great album and far better than MDNA and RH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Bitch I'm Madonna is not art. And when she turned 40, Madonna started running away from her old songs because she thought she would become the female Bob Dylan. "I could never sing Vogue again", "I'm not gonna be making pop music when I'm 50" etc.... quite AGEIST of her.Then her attempt to become John Lennon failed, and suddenly she was lipsyncing to Vogue again and singing Like a Virgin.Art is subjective. You don't have a say on whether its qualified art or not - that's where your opinion lose all its all value. However, you are free to criticize it according to your opinion, that is always okay.Nope, she clearly stated that she will stay the same in several interviews in the 90's. Madonna jokingly said that she is sick of singing her classics (and she still claims that till this day), but those are just frivolous sayings that carry no value whatsoever, she never claimed to have a plan on changing what she represents as an artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Art is subjectie. You don't have a say on whether its qualified art or not - that's where your opinion loses its all value. However, you are free to criticize it according to your opinion, that is always okay.Nope, she clearly stated that she will stay the same in several interviews in the 90's. Madonna jokingly said that she is sick of singing her classics (and she still claims that till this day), but those are just frivolous sayings that carry no value whatsoever, she never claimed to have a plan on changing what she represents as an artist. no, I'm sorry..... she was ADAMANT about not singing old songs and doing pop at the age of 50. she was so above it all.not being able to escape from pop music is the biggest blow to her ego. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 no, I'm sorry..... she was ADAMANT about not singing old songs and doing pop at the age of 50. she was so above it all.Nope, incorrect.Can you offer a piece of information that is accurate for once? About your edit : are you implying that pop music is degrading? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacey Elizabeth 900 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Her Blond Ambition Tour literally made Gaga's career and it was unprecedented by any pop artist back then, mixing dancing with fashion, theatre and dramatic costume changes. She was the first pop artist using fashion as an object of deliberate s-xual provocation. She also influenced the world of fashion by promoting the idea of underwear as outerwear. Ray of Light is universally seen as the first pop attempt to bring underground electronic dance music to the masses. She's also credited for being the first artist to transcend her "pop" category and establish herself as a global icon that single-handedly completely redefined what people could expect a female pop artist to do or say. The elements of s-xuality and religion in her work started a revolution for women in music. She's also credited as the first female pop star that sought financial control in the industry, got it and maintained it by continuously reinventing her image (again something entirely new in the industry), visually and musically (ring a bell?) and creating fashion and music trends all around her at least until 2000. She was also the first American pop icon to intentionally break taboos related to s-x, including support for the gay community and spreading awareness about HIV. She also launched the popularity of celebrity adoption, created a market for Voguing and burlesque dancing, defined MTV and the music video and pushed global attention towards other cultures and their visual/fashionable motifs when she referenced them, for example South Asia and Spain. She popularized Jewish mysticism and yoga, was the first woman in the mainstream eye who merged the s-xual with the sacred, earning her more controversy than any artist ever has up to this point. So yeah, she was more original in her time than probably any pop artist after her. It's just hard to see it because we're all so used to seeing what Madonna worked her ass off to make happen. YES YES YES! TELL THEM! You snatched my weave! Your Candy Perfume Girl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxthewonderdog 300 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Debbie Harry did it first. And much better than McDonna. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Nope, incorrect.Can you offer a piece of information that is accurate for once? About your edit : are you implying that pop music is degrading?sorry, these videos still exist. and when she was asked bout it (by john norris) , she even pretended it never happened and made up a completely different quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 sorry, these videos still exist. and when she was asked bout it (by john norris) , she even pretended it never happened and made up a completely different quote I guess you can't back that up with evidence... too bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Debbie Harry did it first. And much better than McDonna.McDonna. That reminds me of a mid-80s parody song to the tune of The Beatles' "Lady Madonna." From the Dr. Demento Show.MTV is playing all your videosYour belly button stars in every oneYou're kind of like a kinky fast food outlletOne million servedThat's you, MadonnaBoytoy on your waistYou're a something something people with bad taste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Diplo needs to stop kissing her behind...that's the only reason she continues working with him and the music on Rebel Heart was terrible vocally and production wise Plus, people don't like her pride, her juevenile conduct as an older woman, plus she's trying too hard to stay relevant and make "hip and cool" music and it backfired Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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