Luc 4,776 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Five month and the miserable Greek Administration did NOTHING to solve the problems... I fully support the speech of the Belgian politician - because he was telling the truth! If Alexis Tsipras and his entourage doesn't get their **** together within the next two days and finally put their strategies to modernise extensively the Greek Administration (f. e. the "non-existing" fiscal authority) and the shabby Greek economy on the table, they shouldn't get one more Cent from the European Union. Effective reforms in Greece are overdue!!! Problem is, Syriza spent the past 6 months not thinking about technical details and proposals, but finding stragetic ways and finding ways of talking to appeal to the Greek population they can't make a very technical plan in 2 days. Hell, I doubt Syriza is even capable of making a plan let alone putting it into practice... They've done nothing so far, and will stay doing nothing. They can't make plans on modernisation of a whole society in 2 days in these 2 days the only things they can actually think of are "we'll raise this tax by 2%, we'll raise that tax by 5%" and not actual reforms that requires laws to be changed. They are incapable of fighting corruption and tax evasion. In fact, Syriza does not at all seem interested in fighting corruption and tax evasion ever since they came to office. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Oh, I just realised that the Greek Government has to hand over their "plans" until midnight and not until Friday morning! MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Its an emotional issue for the lender countries for sure. They spent years and years correcting their economies and building a system that made it self sufficient. They have little tolerance for the Greek , lets do it next time, attitude. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Verhofstadt I dislike his temper and body language so much. Nor do I think he makes strong points. Tsipras shouldn't be yelled at for Greece's problems of the last five years. He only got elected five months ago Revolutionary reforms, for which he cries, should not only be carried out in Greece, also in his own country, and probably for the EU as a whole. All I hear is loud screaming for things all citizens in most European countries cry for, in vain. And don't forget that Tsipras' reply also got a lot of praise and support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Best thing would be a communist state, but we are only a minority who want that I'd be here for that or Socialism at least to begin with. Don;t worry, the day will come, no matter what happens humanity is forced to move forward sooner or later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 http://news.yahoo.com/greeces-tsipras-sell-last-ditch-deal-reluctant-party-040245660--finance.htmlseems like all that b---h slappn' knocked some sense into the Greek parliament like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I'd be here for that or Socialism at least to begin with. Don;t worry, the day will come, no matter what happens humanity is forced to move forward sooner or later. Hopefully! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Hopefully! Keep dreaming because only a small minority supports it. Neoliberalism has proven to work. Socialism has yet to. Verhofstadt is a great example of corruption and clientalism himself though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Keep dreaming because only a small minority supports it. Neoliberalism has proven to work. Socialism has yet to. Verhofstadt is a great example of corruption and clientalism himself though Where did Neoliberalism proved to work? (I always mess up that quote system ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Where did Neoliberalism proved to work? (I always mess up that quote system ) neoliberalism works really well until the capitalists stop lending them money like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Where did Neoliberalism proved to work? (I always mess up that quote system ) In Germany I meant neoliberalism as a way of capitalism... When I say capitalism, people instantly think about a society where the businesses can say everything which is not what I meant... neoliberalism for me is everything from left-wing socialism (like Die Linke and, PvdA (Belgium) and de SP, GroenLinks and Partij voor de Dieren (the Netherlands) to right-wing liberalism (Germany has no liberal party, but I mean the Conservatives in the UK and de VVD in the Netherlands). All of these work, eventhough there will be a crisis sometimes. Socialism doesn't work at all, because flat wages doesn't reward anybody and you need a strong nationalism and indoctrination for people to think it actually works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivannn 1,150 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Tsipras understand everything plus he had earphones with tranlation to greek. Guy is very passionate but also showed and said what majority of EU feels regarding this Greek crisis. Guy Legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 In Germany I meant neoliberalism as a way of capitalism... When I say capitalism, people instantly think about a society where the businesses can say everything which is not what I meant... neoliberalism for me is everything from left-wing socialism (like Die Linke and, PvdA (Belgium) and de SP, GroenLinks and Partij voor de Dieren (the Netherlands) to right-wing liberalism (Germany has no liberal party, but I mean the Conservatives in the UK and de VVD in the Netherlands). All of these work, eventhough there will be a crisis sometimes. Socialism doesn't work at all, because flat wages doesn't reward anybody and you need a strong nationalism and indoctrination for people to think it actually works. The gap between rich and poor gets larger and larger in Germany. It may be good for Western countries but due to our success the other side of the world is suffering and getting outsourced. Die Linke is itself so divided that I don't know where I would like to put it. Their communist group is huge and the new leader of die Linke (Sahra Wagenknecht ) right now belongs to the Communist wing. As I said Socialism or Communism won't be successful as long as we are a minority and the society is not ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The gap between rich and poor gets larger and larger in Germany. It may be good for Western countries but due to our success the other side of the world is suffering and getting outsourced. Die Linke is itself so divided that I don't know where I would like to put it. Their communist group is huge and the new leader of die Linke (Sahra Wagenknecht ) right now belongs to the Communist wing. As I said Socialism or Communism won't be successful as long as we are a minority and the society is not ready. Er, uhm...China was Socialist Communist under Mao...now its looks pretty capitalistic to me... Stock Market, demand for oil, huge construction of the industrial sector ... I think struggling non-industrial based countries work well under a socialistic government because of the interdependence of the people, but as a country becomes more modern, capitalism becomes essential to maintain growth and prosperity. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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