Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 EDIT: As you can see here http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en#{"cls":"main","params":{}} 90% of the votes are in . Even if the rest 10% is for "Yes" , "No" still wins. So it's officially a victory for the "No to Austerity" option. EDIT2: The counting of the votes has ended and the "No" option won. http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0705/712733-greece/ No exit polls were conducted, however three opinion polls by GPO, Metron Analysis and MRB all indicate the 'No' camp' is ahead by three points. A poll by Marc estimated 49.5 to 54.5% of Greeks voted 'No' compared to 45.5 to 50.5% voting 'Yes', based on surveys conducted through the week. I'm watching TV and they say that the difference is going to be at least 60% for "No" , all those media channels that were saying "Yes" is in the lead with 70% 5 hours ago!! Mmmm I wonder if I was right about the messed up media news in Europe saying "yes" demonstrations had more people and was defintily winning @Simon @Luc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share Posted July 5, 2015 Live results by the Ministry http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en#{"cls":"main","params":{}} Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 You seriously have no idea about how things happen outside your country, sorry. If you don't ever read media from other countries, don't say such things. At least I tried to read some Greek news (with google translate or english versions) and found actual propaganda like "Brussels' hackers".This is, by the way, not confirmed yet. There's still a possibility yes will win this (pretty undemocratic) referendum. Nobody profits from this result. Greeks won't profit from this because this will create even more uncertainty, unemployment and debt. Europeans won't profit from the mess that is Greece leaving the Eurozone (because European leaders have already said Greece will stay in the Eurozone no matter what happens, which I think was strategically pretty bad to say). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rome 176 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I was quiet obvious that the No was going to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share Posted July 5, 2015 You seriously have no idea about how things happen outside your country, sorry. If you don't ever read media from other countries, don't say such things. At least I tried to read some Greek news (with google translate or english versions) and found actual propaganda like "Brussels' hackers". This is, by the way, not confirmed yet. There's still a possibility yes will win this (pretty undemocratic) referendum. Nobody profits from this result. Greeks won't profit from this because this will create even more uncertainty, unemployment and debt. Europeans won't profit from the mess that is Greece leaving the Eurozone (because European leaders have already said Greece will stay in the Eurozone no matter what happens, which I think was strategically pretty bad to say). ΅What are you even on about? The Ministry of Interior clearly has the results ! http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en#{"cls":"main","params":{}} Are you going to try to convince me the GREEK MINISTRY is wrong and you are correct? And by no way Greece is leaving Eurozone and that wasn't even what the Referendum was about! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 ΅What are you even on about? The Ministry of Interior clearly has the results ! http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/e/public/index.html?lang=en#{"cls":"main","params":{}} Are you going to try to convince me the GREEK MINISTRY is wrong and you are correct? And by no way Greece is leaving Eurozone and that wasn't even what the Referendum was about! Exactly. That's what is kinda sad about this. A Grexit would've been profitable for the rest of the Eurozone. But now Greece will probably get financial help, no cuts and won't get a Grexit either - aka unprofitable for everybody. I'm saying that the results are still coming. Only 15% of the votes are counted I'm just saying that only a small part of the votes have been counted. It might be obvious now that 'no' has won, but it could still possibly become 90% yes and 10% no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erotica 34,931 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Nothing is final yet. The final result isn't expected until somewhere around midnight when all the votes has been counted. Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share Posted July 5, 2015 Exactly. That's what is kinda sad about this. A Grexit would've been profitable for the rest of the Eurozone. But now Greece will probably get financial help, no cuts and won't get a Grexit either - aka unprofitable for everybody. I'm saying that the results are still coming. Only 15% of the votes are counted I'm just saying that only a small part of the votes have been counted. It might be obvious now that 'no' has won, but it could still possibly become 90% yes and 10% no. Nothing is final yet. The final result isn't expected until somewhere around midnight when all the votes has been counted. Can you trust me on this? I have witnessed so many elections the past years in my country, the winner is announce at 7pm every election Sunday ( it's currently 20:42) and the first results NEVER HAVE HAD a diffrence of more than 3% with the final ones. "No" has won. It's a fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erotica 34,931 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Can you trust me on this? I have witnessed so many elections the past years in my country, the winner is announce at 7pm every election Sunday ( it's currently 20:42) and the first results NEVER HAVE HAD a diffrence of more than 3% with the final ones. "No" has won. It's a fact. It's a fact that all votes has not been counted yet and therefore it's not final yet Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Can you trust me on this? I have witnessed so many elections the past years in my country, the winner is announce at 7pm every election Sunday ( it's currently 20:42) and the first results NEVER HAVE HAD a diffrence of more than 3% with the final ones. "No" has won. It's a fact. It's almost certain, but only an estimate. You can't be 100% sure it will win, and therefore the title is misleading (until midnight when the actual results come in). I'm more and more starting to get a feeling that this referendum actually didn't matter at all, and that in the end the same will happen: austerity for Greece, money for Greece, Greece stays in the Eurozone. I honestly doubt Greeks even knew what they were voting about though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 The dilettantish, corrupt Greece Government and the naive NO-VOTERS will see, that they doomed Greece with their decision...I have absolutely no mercy with the arrogant Greeks anymore.So, let them go bankrupt... MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share Posted July 5, 2015 The dilettantish, corrupt Greece Government and the naive NO-VOTERS will see, that they doomed Greece with their decision... I have absolutely no mercy with the arrogant Greeks anymore. So, let them go bankrupt... Arrogant Greeks don't need your racist mercy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 The dilettantish, corrupt Greece Government and the naive NO-VOTERS will see, that they doomed Greece with their decision...I have absolutely no mercy with the arrogant Greeks anymore.So, let them go bankrupt... They already are bankrupt.Oh well, hope they actually do what they promised (returning economic growth, fighting tax evasion and fighting corruption). Greece needs a culture change and I hope Syriza can bring that, eventhough they seem like nostalgic, arrogant, naive, nationalist, populist idiots who don't know what they want to do as soon as they're actually in the government. Syriza is an opposition party and shouldn't have ever made part of the government. It belongs together with ANEL and Golden Dawn. It's okay if they want more money for the poorest, but you have to compensate that with taxing the rich more and getting economic growth and in Greece's situation fighting tax evasion. Syriza however wants to go back to when Greece was a debt-sponsored economy and also doesn't agree with proposals by the trojka to higher taxes on the rich (higher wealth tax, higher yacht tax) or to fight tax evasion (less exceptions in income tax and pension age). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted July 5, 2015 Author Share Posted July 5, 2015 They already are bankrupt.Oh well, hope they actually do what they promised (returning economic growth, fighting tax evasion and fighting corruption). Greece needs a culture change and I hope Syriza can bring them, eventhough they seem like nostalgic, arrogant, naive, nationalist idiots who don't know what they want to do as soon as they're actually in the government. It's okay if they don't want more money for the poorest, but you have to compensate that with taxing the rich more and getting economic growth and in Greece's situation fighting tax evasion. Syriza however wants to go back to when Greece was a debt-sponsored economy and also doesn't agree with proposals by the trojka to higher taxes on the rich (higher wealth tax) or to fight tax evasion (less exceptions in income tax and pension age).I can't comment on your other opinion for the lack of courage but just saying we are not "bankrupt" by definition yet.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I can't comment on your other opinion for the lack of courage but just saying we are not "bankrupt" by definition yet..I guess this is the same as your whole thread. 'No' has not won by definition yet, just as much as Greece isn't bankrupt by definition yet.Their lack of courage is shown by the referendum. They didn't want to take responsibility in case things went for the worst: in the end they can always blame the population. It's all party politics and not responsible politics that Syriza is playing. Arrogant Varoufakis and Tsipras should finally get their **** together and fix their country instead of gambling with the pensions, bank accounts and income of all Greeks (including those who were smart enough not to vote for Syriza, those who actually thought realistically that pensions and wages could not be highered 50% or the minimum wage could not be doubled). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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