Economy 52,861 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/g7-agrees-to-phase-out-carbon-emissions-by-start-of-next-century-1.2411371 At a G7 Metting (USA, Canada, UK, Germany, Italy, France and Japan) they agreed to have phased out all Carbon emmissions and to have a carbon free economy by the end of the century... Canada & USA may have the hardest time accomplishing that as both have large energy sectors, and both are large Countries with much transportation distances required. North America is also known for using vast amounts of petro based fertilizers and pesticides on its agriculture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity 7,821 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think all the countries should switch to solar power if possiblePetroleum will definitely have run out one day See talent here-->http://bit.ly/2eqeUxK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,861 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think all the countries should switch to solar power if possible Petroleum will definitely have run out one day i dont know that solar power to the extreme some people suggest is the answer. Some climates lack sunlight... where i live for isntance in winter we get 8-9 hours tops... and in summer many rainy days are not uncommon. Solar Power could never be reliable to be more than a supplement in many regions Theres also concerns about how long tellerium (a vital element in the way solar panels work but is 3X more rare than gold) could last for if the entire world went solar, especially since its not easy to recyle. Lastly oil will never run out technically. The question is more a matter of when we stop drilling for anymore because its useless... Theres always gonna be a deposit here or a deposit there. But if movign drilling equipment and paying workers is gonna cost you $100,000 to get 100 barrels of oil in a tiny deposit... oil would have to be at $1000 a barrel just to break even There will also always be vast reserves of oi that is either rediculously deep, or super hard to frack in some geological locations etc. Oil will never run out, simply because it will become far too much of an expensive economic hassle to get the hardest to get reserves far long before it were to actually run out Even more ironically tho, we have so much "Proven reserves" now (reserves considered extractable with todays technology AND that are economical to get) that before supply became a problem, wed have destroyed the environment totally. The ecological damage will be a bigger threat than supply considering how much we still have available to burn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 That's not fast enough. Every country has a growing economy again, so no excuse for no investments in solar/wind/earth warmth/industry warmth/Hopefully in the near future we can make thorium reactors.. it needs way more investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 What does it mean, carbon-free? No more big pickups and roaring muscle cars in 2100? Not here for it, sorry. And carbon is used in many applications, steel, carbon fibre for example. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagy 419 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 What does it mean, carbon-free? No more big pickups and roaring muscle cars in 2100? Not here for it, sorry. And carbon is used in many applications, steel, carbon fibre for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-carbon_economy But 2100?? Sounds like a hollow promise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 What does it mean, carbon-free? No more big pickups and roaring muscle cars in 2100? Not here for it, sorry. And carbon is used in many applications, steel, carbon fibre for example. You'll have big cars, but on green electricity instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,861 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 That's not fast enough. Every country has a growing economy again, so no excuse for no investments in solar/wind/earth warmth/industry warmth/Hopefully in the near future we can make thorium reactors.. it needs way more investment.No one said not to make investmemts. Of u read article and other articles they also have targets for 2030 and 2050 theres suppostu be immediate reductions... But a carbon free economy involves a lot more than just green electricity. You need to totally rebalance the entire economy. That takes a long time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 You'll have big cars, but on green electricity instead.I'd be okay with speeder bikes and other repulsorlift vehicles. Driving a big Leaf or Tesla? No thanks. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,861 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 You'll have big cars, but on green electricity instead.electric cars are not totally green. their batteries require lithium or alternatives that must be mined and are not renewable. However a portion can be recycled which helps ATM you gotta wonder if they are really better. 47% of worlds electricity is still coal... Coal is WORSE of a polluter than crude oil. Not to mention oil and natural gas make up a big portion of the rest of the electrical grid anyway So indirectly, electric cars might actually be worse than burning gasoline. Id focus on the green electricity itself before worrying about electric cars. makes sense cause with green energy, whether cars also go green or not, you achieve something... but if cars go green and electricity is uses doesnt, your still back to square 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 electric cars are not totally green. their batteries require lithium or alternatives that must be mined and are not renewable. However a portion can be recycled which helps ATM you gotta wonder if they are really better. 47% of worlds electricity is still coal... Coal is WORSE of a polluter than crude oil. Not to mention oil and natural gas make up a big portion of the rest of the electrical grid anyway So indirectly, electric cars might actually be worse than burning gasoline. Id focus on the green electricity itself before worrying about electric cars. makes sense cause with green energy, whether cars also go green or not, you achieve something... but if cars go green and electricity is uses doesnt, your still back to square 1 Grey electricity electric cars (so coal) produces 50% less CO2 than normal cars. Hybrids about 8% less. Both together, 100% less (excluding production). We need to dscourage coal use, encourage green electricity use, encourage electric cars all three combined and we'll get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,861 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Grey electricity electric cars (so coal) produces 50% less CO2 than normal cars. Hybrids about 8% less. Both together, 100% less (excluding production). We need to dscourage coal use, encourage green electricity use, encourage electric cars all three combined and we'll get there. yes but thats coal directly in the car which is different... if its electric, your using coal produced electricity. its not the same thing i actually just made a thread about it. curious on ppls opinion to this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 yes but thats coal directly in the car which is different... if its electric, your using coal produced electricity. its not the same thing i actually just made a thread about it. curious on ppls opinion to thisCoal-produced electricity. Exactly what I said, not different at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,861 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Coal-produced electricity. Exactly what I said, not different at all.i dont get what u were trying to say then... are they regular electric cars? what do you mean by grey electric cars? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 i dont get what u were trying to say then... are they regular electric cars? what do you mean by grey electric cars?Grey electricity means electricity produced with coal, aka polluting energy. In my country you can choose between grey or green electricity (I think the latter costs more). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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