Katy Perry

[Jeff Kunst 0]

Hi there. I'll believe white people are victims of racism when they are declared 3/5ths of a person in legal documents. Then I'll believe it exists.

Surely that's not the only form of racism you accept exists. If it were then Katy's performance wouldn't be an issue.

That reply itself is racist, actually, since you're holding white people to a different standard based on race. We can see white people can be victims of racism because YOU keep posting racist statements against whites.

[MahoganySnitch 67]

Surely that's not the only form of racism you accept exists. If it were then Katy's performance wouldn't be an issue.

That reply itself is racist, actually, since you're holding white people to a different standard based on race. We can see white people can be victims of racism because YOU keep posting racist statements against whites.

It's not the only form I accept, since it's an example of legal racism. Funny enough, white protestant Americans in America, historically, have been privileged enough to not be subject to these. Hmm. 

 

And my posts that are seemingly making you a victim is hardly comparable to centuries of American slavery and the black codes/vagrancy laws that followed once abolition came in. Who are the real victims? 

[Pandora 162]

Katy "get dat controversy" Perry

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I hate to break it to you, but people disagree. On a lot of things. AKA this. 

 

Whites don't act as a group, imo, but that doesn't stop people from believing me and all Mexicans are pouring into a country trying to take back the Mexican land given to the U.S. in 1848 (yes, I was actually accused of this, which was followed by a hearty laugh on my part). I think a group like White people benefit as a whole. You are the gold standard. Look anywhere you go: magazines, sitcoms, movie leads, parliaments/Congress, etc. It's why Julie Chen admitted to having work done on her eyes for more employment opportunities; it's clear what reigns supreme. 

 

By dictionary definition alone, the idea of racism against against any group based on color holds water. Except I would hardly call the dictionary definition of something complex like race and its issues the end all be all. It's like me claiming I know ALL there is to know about a rabbit just by reading the two-sentence definition provided by the dictionary. 

 

Tell me, would you trust a surgeon who knows all his/her body parts from dictionary definitions alone? Of course not! Intricate procedures like that require dissection (pun intended) and study of the nitty-gritty of it all, which isn't provided in a small block of dictionary info. 

 

Have you ever considered the fact that white people are the vast majority in the US - which explains why they are more visible on magazine covers, tv shows etc due to fair representation of the public?

 

If you go to Japan, a mostly Japanese country, all of the people on billboards are Japanese. It's fair that way.

[Jeff Kunst 0]

It's not the only form I accept, since it's an example of legal racism. Funny enough, white protestant Americans in America, historically, have been privileged enough to not be subject to these. Hmm.

And my posts that are seemingly making you a victim is hardly comparable to centuries of American slavery and the black codes/vagrancy laws that followed once abolition came in. Who are the real victims?

Its not a competition, or mutually exclusive. You're a racist AND the people who made and enforced those laws were racists. But I am not part of, or associated with, the latter group just because I am also white, and you implying I am is exactly the issue here.

The problem with you is when confronted with your own racism you just bring up a scattershot pile of examples of other racism as if that's relevant in any way. I see through that tactic immediately, though.

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MahoganySnitch, on 26 Nov 2013 - 18:32, said:

Hi there. I'll believe white people are victims of racism when they are declared 3/5ths of a person in legal documents. Then I'll believe it exists.

 

So if a group of black people racially attack a white person in the street purely because of the colour of their skin then the they weren't actually a victim of racism?

 

You don't have a clue what you're talking about

[llbcherry 591]

This debate is pretty intense.. I saw the ladies of The Talk discuss this yesterday. Julie Chen, and the others, decided that it was not racist. Honestly, people can wear what they want. Asain in cowboy hat, white in saggy pants talkin ghetto, black in a poncho. It's cultural influence and personal taste. I don't think anyone should be offended by another person embracing something they like and wearing it. I understand the argument and the insensitivity of the cultural blending, but I'm sure that was an oversight. It all boils down to what I said. I went to Japan and my host family put me in their daughter's kimono and took me out dancing. To me, it was an honor. I love Japanese culture and symbolism and I would be sad to think I could not use or wear or embrace this... Because it comes from admiration.

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It's not the only form I accept, since it's an example of legal racism. Funny enough, white protestant Americans in America, historically, have been privileged enough to not be subject to these. Hmm. 

 

And my posts that are seemingly making you a victim is hardly comparable to centuries of American slavery and the black codes/vagrancy laws that followed once abolition came in. Who are the real victims? 

 

Death @ you trying to make it a competition

 

The white person being attacked is still a victim, no matter what his ancestors before him were. How dare you try to insinuate otherwise 

[Jeff Kunst 0]

Death @ you trying to make it a competition

The white person being attacked is still a victim, no matter what his ancestors before him were. How dare you try to insinuate otherwise

I know, right? If it was a competition I'm pretty sure "wearing an inaccurate kimono" would lose against centuries of black slavery too.

[llbcherry 591]

Mahogony- I understand your anger. The reason they are upset is that, perhaps unintentionally and out of frustration, your post/quote DID generalize white people as offenders/perpetrators. We are not all like that of course, and it could be seen as hypocritical, considering the topic. I would just address that no group or creed should be generalized, and we will all be satisfied.

[MahoganySnitch 67]

So if a group of black people racially attack a white person in the street purely because of the colour of their skin then the they weren't actually a victim of racism?

 

You don't have a clue what you're talking about

lol when did I ever say that? 

[Jeff Kunst 0]

Mahogony- I understand your anger. The reason they are upset is that, perhaps unintentionally and out of frustration, your post/quote DID generalize white people as offenders/perpetrators. We are not all like that of course, and it could be seen as hypocritical, considering the topic. I would just address that no group or creed should be generalized, and we will all be satisfied.

 

Yeah exactly. The quote in contention even mentions the same idea when it says that someone's one friend of color can't speak for all people of color.

lol when did I ever say that? 

 

You said you don't yet believe that white people are victims of racism. In the post JackGermanotta quoted. Which you then replied to here.

[MahoganySnitch 67]

Yeah exactly. The quote in contention even mentions the same idea when it says that someone's one friend of color can't speak for all people of color.

 

You said you don't yet believe that white people are victims of racism. In the post JackGermanotta quoted. Which you then replied to here.

By my definition of racism (which you have the right to have and I guess I do too), it's prejudice + power, or what would be called Tumblr's definition or whatnot. Would such an assault be discriminatory and racially charged? Yes, absolutely, and I detest this notion that I am, in some way, advocating for white peoples' blood to flood the streets. I am talking about the socio-economic consequences of racism/appropriation, which includes KP not seeing what she's doing is, at the very least, culturally insensitive, and the inevitable cashing in of the song she performed using this Asian cultural mix. 

 

And someone's one friend shouldn't get to speak for all people of their group, you're right. d2fang was stating their one personal belief and I felt the need to share it for context. He wrote it in response to white people saying their Chinese/Japanese friends found KP's performance to be "Cute" and "fun" and people ran off with it as a sign that KP was in the clear bc "all Asians love KP."

 

Clearly, there are some in the Asian community that find this offensive, and while they can only speak for themselves, to deny them that right bc it's "overreacting" is silencing their opinion, which is wrong. In the same way that there are white people who agree/disagree with you entirely, there are people who agree/disagree with d2fang. 

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By my definition of racism (which you have the right to have and I guess I do too), it's prejudice + power, or what would be called Tumblr's definition or whatnot. Would such an assault be discriminatory and racially charged? Yes, absolutely, and I detest this notion that I am, in some way, advocating for white peoples' blood to flood the streets. I am talking about the socio-economic consequences of racism/appropriation, which includes KP not seeing what she's doing is, at the very least, culturally insensitive, and the inevitable cashing in of the song she performed using this Asian cultural mix. 

 

And someone's one friend shouldn't get to speak for all people of their group, you're right. d2fang was stating their one personal belief and I felt the need to share it for context. He wrote it in response to white people saying their Chinese/Japanese friends found KP's performance to be "Cute" and "fun" and people ran off with it as a sign that KP was in the clear bc "all Asians love KP."

 

Clearly, there are some in the Asian community that find this offensive, and while they can only speak for themselves, to deny them that right bc it's "overreacting" is silencing their opinion, which is wrong. In the same way that there are white people who agree/disagree with you entirely, there are people who agree/disagree with d2fang. 

 

Playing games with definitions doesn't really change what's going on here, it just obscures it.

 

My problem with d2fang's post is he lumped a bunch of people together who are actually individuals, just like the Chinese or Japanese people who said Katy's performance was cute are individuals. Nobody speaks for their entire race, and that applies to white people as well. The latter part is what you keep dancing around.

 

You're not "advocating for white people's blood to fill the streets", you're lumping all white people together but we do not in fact act collectively and we are not collectively responsible for each other's actions just because we share a skin color, racial identity, or heritage.

 

I have the same problem with that "Tumblr definition" of racism and the associated ideas about privilege: it conflates individuals with groups. But individuals are not the groups they belong to, and the two are not interchangeable.

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If you're not asian then I don't see why would anyone be offended