Quark 7,089 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 2008s biggest hits were pop / EDM though, meaning the trend had already begun and it was on its way to reach its peak, which it did in 2009, luckily enough, Gaga debuted at that time and the rest is history. Why is that so hard to understand? The music industry was very keen on EDM elements when Gaga had already debuted, she benefited from it just as much as anyone else. 2008Low: Hip HopBleeding Love: BalladNo One: R&BLollipop: Hip HopApologize: Ballad/popNo Air: R&B2009I Got A Feeling: Dance PopPokerFace: Dance PopJust Dance: Dance PopBoom Boom Pow: Dance PopRight Round: Dance Pop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
androiduser 7,438 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 absolutely NOT, there is no DWYW effect,because it sounded like a regular r'n'b song from the early 2000's.It's just a case of Gaga fans noticing some similarities because they have Gaga's song on their mind and they notice little details. all fan bases do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 2008Low: Hip HopBleeding Love: BalladNo One: R&BLollipop: Hip HopApologize: Ballad/popNo Air: R&B2009I Got A Feeling: Dance PopPokerFace: Dance PopJust Dance: Dance PopBlack Eyed Piece: Dance PopRight Round: Dance Pop4 Minutes : Dance - PopDisturbia : Dance - Pop, ElectropopDon't Stop The Music : Dance - Pop, TechnoForever : Eurodance, Eurodisco, Dance - PopWomanizer : Electropop, Dance - PopWhen I Grow Up : ElectropopPiece Of Me : ElectroHot N Cold : Pop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexxx 2,244 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 i dont think the song was that much of an impact to do something like that Lady Gaga/ Madonna/Lana /Azealia Banks/ Jazmine Sullivan/ DEEE-LITE/ Moko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,089 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 4 Minutes : Dance - PopDisturbia : Dance - Pop, ElectropopDon't Stop The Music : Dance - Pop, TechnoForever : Eurodance, Eurodisco, Dance - PopWomanizer : Electropop, Dance - PopWhen I Grow Up : ElectropopPiece Of Me : ElectroHot N Cold : Pop You said biggest hits though. I named you Billboards biggest hits. Also if I were to count all the dance pop songs from 2008 and the ones from 2009, you would see Gaga's impact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 2008Low: Hip HopBleeding Love: BalladNo One: R&BLollipop: Hip HopApologize: Ballad/popNo Air: R&B 2009I Got A Feeling: Dance PopPokerFace: Dance PopJust Dance: Dance PopBoom Boom Pow: Dance PopRight Round: Dance Pop Right round was in production with Dr Luke in late 2008, before Just Dance hit number one, Boom Boom Pow (the biggest selling song of the year in the US) was released late March and the BEP held the top spot on the BB100 with two songs until October 17th, almost seven months. The rest of the BB100 that year weren't even dance-pop The biggest selling song of the next year was Tik Tok, but Kesha states her influence as being the Beastie Boys for it (I'd agree though that Gaga was definitely a major influence there though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Someone close this. It was getting painful quite a few pages back but now it's just getting silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 You said biggest hits though. I named you Billboards biggest hits. Also if I were to count all the dance pop songs from 2008 and the ones from 2009, you would see Gaga's impact.US Sales Figures :4 Minutes : 3.500.000Disturbia : 4.600.000Don't Stop The Music : 3.600.000Forever : 4.000.000Womanizer : 3.500.000When I Grow Up : 2.200.000Piece of Me : 2.000.000Hot N Cold : 5.600.000----------------------------As the numbers suggest, these were all monster hits from the same year, right before Gaga debuted with Just Dance. The trend was taken further in 2009 and 2010 so on. Sorry to let you down, but Gaga's case is very simple to grasp your mentality around ; her massive debut was based on an already existing trend, she didn't build her own path which everyone followed, instead she landed on a solid ground and fabulously walked where people had already been walking before her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,089 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Right round was in production with Dr Luke in late 2008, before Just Dance hit number one, Boom Boom Pow (the biggest selling song of the year in the US) was released late March and the BEP held the top spot on the BB100 with two songs until October 17th, almost seven months. The rest of the BB100 that year weren't even dance-pop The biggest selling song of the next year was Tik Tok, but Kesha states her influence as being the Beastie Boys for it Admitedly BEP also had an impact along with Gaga. Til Tok sounds nothing like a Beastie Boys song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Admitedly BEP also had an impact along with Gaga. Til Tok sounds nothing like a Beastie Boys song.That was her view, the song itself is much closer to just dance than any of the songs you listed though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,089 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 US Sales Figures :4 Minutes : 3.500.000Disturbia : 4.600.000Don't Stop The Music : 3.600.000Forever : 4.000.000Womanizer : 3.500.000When I Grow Up : 2.200.000Piece of Me : 2.000.000Hot N Cold : 5.600.000----------------------------As the numbers suggest, these were all monster hits from the same year, right before Gaga debuted with Just Dance. The trend was taken further in 2009 and 2010 so on. Sorry to let you down, but Gaga's case is very simple to grasp your mentality around ; her massive debut was based on an already existing trend, she didn't build her own path which everyone followed, instead she landed on a solid ground and fabulously walked where people had already been walking before her.Don't feel sorry because my case still stands. Where was the explosion of dance pop after each of these songs? (which are not the biggest hits by the way). How come we didn't get true EDM dominace whenever a dance pop song became a hit throughout the 2000s? The explosion of dance pop truly happened after Gaga. I am sorry that you choose to ignore that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Don't feel sorry because my case still stands. Where was the explosion of dance pop after each of this songs? (which are not the biggest hits by the way). How come we didn't get true EDM dominace whenever a dance pop song became a hit throughout the 2000s? The explosion of dance pop truly happened after Gaga. I am sorry that you choose to ignore that. There's no such thing as an explosion of a specific musical genre after the success of a solitary effort. That's the most narrow minded way of thinking out there, its rather an ongoing continuous process. All of the songs mentioned represent a spark of the dance pop trend, which already took place and was solidified before Gaga (or at least was bound to).By the way...this type of sound seems to be one of the big trends.-You after one and a half songs used a similar synth to DWUW's.Yet you claim that the 50 hit dance tracks that I've provided you are isolated hits that are not linked to one another in any way, shape or form. If that's not bias then I don't know what is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Don't feel sorry because my case still stands. Where was the explosion of dance pop after each of these songs? (which are not the biggest hits by the way). How come we didn't get true EDM dominace whenever a dance pop song became a hit throughout the 2000s? The explosion of dance pop truly happened after Gaga. I am sorry that you choose to ignore that. EDM didn't explode because of Poker Face or something, it didn't have to explode or dominate anything because it was already there for years, monster hits had been made, entire dance-pop albums had smashed the charts, electronic music was everywhere and there was nothing ****ing revolutionary or even remarkable about the music Ke$ha, Rihanna, Gaga and Katy were making as if they represented some major break in pop music starting from 2008. All those songs you claim were new and paved the way towards EDM acceptance sounded like run-of-the-mill pop songs and we all know it. Gaga's freshness was because of her reliance on synthpop elements (which did not start a trend in pop music - in fact, I'd say it was Rihanna's and Katy's emphasis on electropop and house music that started an actual pop trend). It were the club-oriented EDM genres that really made a splash and "exploded" on the scene. The pop artists just picked bits and pieces to sound up to date.There wasn't even any dominance of EDM on the charts, easily proven by the fact that from 2008 onwards there were massive success singles in other genres, particularly pop rock, R&B, soul and hip-hop (which you claimed disappeared after Gaga came on the scene). Like I already argued in another thread: the dance-pop trend stopped after 2009. When you look at the best-selling singles after 2009 you'll find a minority of EDM there, in fact there's a lot more R&B and hip hop there. Album-wise EDM doesn't dominate at all. All the best-selling albums of every year are either hip hop or something else. None of the highest selling albums after 2008 is anywhere near EDM. So explain exactly where you see this dominance at all.Specific example using United States sales: of all the singles released after Poker Face that went on to sell more, there are three EDM tracks, compared to five tracks in other genres (hip hop, rock, R&B, soul and indie pop). Same story is visible when we look at lesser selling tracks. Pop rock songs outsold most of Katy's most popular singles. Talking about Rihanna: her best selling single in the U.S. post-2008 is a hip hop collaboration. A 2009 hip hop track outsold Bad Romance. After 2009 EDM clearly fails to establish a dominance compared to other genres. It's true that there are a lot of popular EDM singles, but they swim amongst success singles of other genres so there's nothing truly remarkable about that.So where exactly did you get this whole post-Gaga EDM dominance idea from? Other genres seem to do equally great, in fact, they go on to sell more than EDM singles in the U.S. where you claimed Gaga's impact was most palpable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 25,000 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I think Gaga doesn't really set trends, she just knows music and can recognize certain patterns. By a--lyzing music history and recent music, a good artist can tell what the audience will be craving next. Thus, Gaga probably just notices trends before they become "hot", rather than that she invents them.Same thing with EDM. It was already there, and it probably would've happened without her, but she was just one of the first ones to adopt it so fully in the mainstream market. Happiness will never last, darkness comes to kick your ass... ᵃˢˢ 🕺 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Marley 538 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I've been thinking about this for a while. idk if DWYW started it, but it definitely was one of the starting ones.Jealous, Nick JonasStyle, Taylor SwiftLove Me Harder, Ariana GrandeMight get flamed for this but Love Me Harder has the most magical baseline I've heard in my 21 years of existence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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