Israel/Palestine Conflict Thread

[lego 44,165]

And the jokes about defensless nation have started. Then you dare to talk about bias. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

 

[Pandemiya 61]

"defenseless nation"

Is it really? Let's find out.

The list goes on and on. I've got time.

[lego 44,165]

Self-centered fanatics will always think everything is about them. They will repeat lies and call them facts, throw around assumptions and personal attacks and then claim to be a victim. When they put hundred !!!! exclamation marks, their "argument" must be "better". When other side doesn't fall for provocations, they think they "won".

Awkward. 

 

Now on topic, still waiting to see if anyone actually gets arrested for torching of the church.

[Melech 9,900]

An Israeli soldier thew a banana peel on the ground.    A Palestinian slipped on it .

Gaza went into a riot demanding Israel be nuked.    

News at eleven........8-)

I think that is sign enough that Israel shouldn't exists. #boycottIsraelibananas 

[Melech 9,900]

Who cares how they write if they have point?  

 

[Pandemiya 61]

This is what ms. lego is calling "lies". I recommend everyone to read the actual essay, it's very interesting and informative. Bolded parts are the important parts.

It is from the term "Philistines" that the name "Palestinians" has been taken. Actually, the ancient Philistines and modern Palestinians have something in common: both are invaders from other lands. That is precisely the meaning of their name, that is not an ethnic denomination but an adjective applied to them: Peleshet, from the verb "pelesh", "dividers", "penetrators" or "invaders". The Philistines were a confederation of non-Semitic peoples coming from Crete, the Aegean Islands and Asia Minor, also known as "Sea Peoples". The main tribes were Shekelesh, Shardana, Tsikel or Thekker, Akhaiusha or Ekwesh, Danauna or Denyen, Masa or Meshuesh, Uashesh, Teresh or Tursha, Keshesh or Karkisha, Lukka or Rukka, and Labu. The original homeland of the group that ruled the Philistine federation, namely the "Pelesati", was the island of Crete. When the Minoic civilization collapsed, also the Minoic culture disappeared from Crete, as invaders from Greece took control of the island. These ancient Cretans arrived in Southern Canaan and were known as "Peleshtim" by Hebrews and Canaanites (that became allied to fight the invaders). They also invaded Egypt and were defeated by Pharaoh Ramose III in the 12th century b.c.e. The Philistines were organized in city-states, being the most important the Pentapolis: Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Gath and Ekron, and their territory was close to the Mediterranean coast, a little longer and broader than the present-day "Gaza Strip" - not the whole Judah, they never reached Hevron, Jerusalem or Yericho! 
Those Sea Peoples that invaded Egypt were expelled towards other Mediterranean lands and did not evolve into any Arab people, but disappeared as distinguishable groups in Roman times. Those dwelling in Canaan were defeated by King David and reduced to insignificance, the best warriors among them were chosen as David's bodyguard. The remaining Philistines still dwelling in Gaza were subdued by Sargon II of Assyria and after that time, they disappeared definitively from history. They are no longer mentioned since the return of the Jewish exiles from Babylon. 
Conclusion: there is not one single person in the world who may be able to prove Philistine lineage, yet, if Palestinians insist, they have to recognize themselves as invaders in Israel, and then they must ask Greece to return them back the Isle of Crete! The Philistines are extinct and claims to alleged links with them are utterly false as they are historically impossible to establish. In any case, claiming a Philistine heritage is idle because it cannot legitimate any land in which they were foreign occupants and not native dwellers. Philistines were not Arabs, and the only feature in common between both peoples is that in Israel they should be regarded as invaders, Philistines from the sea and Arabs from the wilderness. They do not want Jerusalem because it is their city, which is not and never has been, they simply want to take her from the Jews, to whom she has belonged for three thousand years. The Philistines wanted to take from Israelites the Holy Ark of the Covenant, modern so-called Palestinians want to take from them the Holy City of the Covenant. 

The Palestinians: No, they are not any ancient people, but claim to be. They were born in a single day, after a war that lasted six days in 1967 c.e. If they were true Canaanites, they would speak Hebrew and demand from Syria to give them back their occupied homeland in Lebanon, but they are not. If they were Philistines, they would claim back the Isle of Crete from Greece and would recognize that they have nothing to do with the Land of Israel, and would ask excuses to Israel for having stolen the Ark of the Covenant. 

The land called "Palestine" - Read all of this

In the 2nd century c.e., the last attempt of the Jews to achieve independence from the Roman Empire ended with the well-known event of Masada, that is historically documented and universally recognized as the fact that determined the Jewish Diaspora in a definitive way. The Land where these things happened was until then the province known as Judæa , and there is no mention of any place called "Palestine" before that time. The Roman emperor Hadrian was utterly upset with the Jewish Nation and wanted to erase the name of Israel and Judah from the face of the Earth, so that there would be no memory of the country that belonged to that rebel people. He decided to replace the denomination of that Roman province and resorted to ancient history in order to find a name that might appear appropriate, and found that an extinct people that was unknown in Roman times, called "Philistines", was once dwelling in that area and were enemies of the Israelites. Therefore, according to Latin spelling, he invented the new name: "Palæstina", a name that would be also hateful for the Jews as it reminded them their old foes. He did so with the explicit purpose of effacing any trace of Jewish history. Ancient Romans, as well as modern Palestinians, have fulfilled the Hebrew Scriptures Prophecy that declares: "They lay crafty plans against Your People... they say: ‘come, let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more'." - Tehilim 83:3-4 (Psalm 83:3-4). They failed, as Israel is still alive. Any honest person would recognize that there is no mention of the name Palestina in history before the Romans renamed the province of Judea, that such name does not occur in any ancient document, is not written in the Bible, neither in the Hebrew Scriptures nor in the Christian Testament, not even in Assyrian, Persian, Macedonian, Ptolemaic, Seleucian or other Greek sources, and that not any "Palestinian" people has ever been mentioned, not even by the Romans that invented the term. If "Palestinians" allegedly are the historic inhabitants of the Holy Land, why did they not fight for independence from Roman occupation as Jews did? How is it possible that not a single Palestinian leader heading for a revolt against the Roman invaders is mentioned in any historic record? Why there is not any Palestinian rebel group mentioned, as for example the Jewish Zealots? Why every historic document mentions the Jews as the native inhabitants, and the Greeks, Romans and others as foreigners dwelling in Judea, but not any Palestinian people, neither as native nor as foreigner? What is more, there is no reference to any Palestinian people in the qur'an (koran), although muslims claim that their prophet was once in Jerusalem (an event that is not mentioned in the koran either). It appears evident that he did not meet any Palestinian in his whole life, nor his successors did either. Caliph Salahuddin al-Ayyub (Saladin), knew the Jews and kindly invited them to settle in Jerusalem, that he recognized as their Homeland, but he did not know any Palestinian... To claim that Palestinians are the original people of Eretz Yisrael is not only against secular history but also against Islamic history! 
The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name, but adopted and adapted from the Latin Palæstina . How can an Arab people have a western name instead of one in their own language? Because the use of the term "Palestinian" for an Arab group is only a modern political creation without any historic or ethnic grounds, and did not indicate any people before 1967.

[Shadow 6,697]

Please, stay on topic.  This thread is to discuss the Israel and Palestine Conflict.  Examples from history can be used to make points, but let us not get too far from the issue at hand in the present day conflict they're dealing with today.  Also, PLEASE stop with the personal attacks, it is disrespectful to other users, goes off topic while derailing the thread, and ruins what could be a sound discussion of what is going on, what could be done, and how to solve the problems that involve and cause this conflict.  Please, do not ruin this discussion.  

If this gets out of hand and we end up having to close this thread, that's it.  It will never come back again and those who wish to discuss this topic must use other threads or try another site.

[Pandemiya 61]

Please, stay on topic.  This thread is to discuss the Israel and Palestine Conflict.  Examples from history can be used to make points, but let us not get too far from the issue at hand in the present day conflict they're dealing with today.  Also, PLEASE stop with the personal attacks, it is disrespectful to other users, goes off topic while derailing the thread, and ruins what could be a sound discussion of what is going on, what could be done, and how to solve the problems that involve and cause this conflict.  Please, do not ruin this discussion.  

If this gets out of hand and we end up having to close this thread, that's it.  It will never come back again and those who wish to discuss this topic must use other threads or try another site.

Thank you.  

[Melech 9,900]

 

 

 

 

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

 

 

 

 

he speaks English very well.  Sounds like he has a college education.

[Melech 9,900]

he speaks English very well.  Sounds like he has a college education.

he is only 16

 

[Melech 9,900]

Hamas Welcomes Shooting Attack as 'Heroic Operation' - 20 June 2015

The Hamas terrorist group on Friday welcomed the shooting attack near the town of Dolev in the Binyamin region, in which 25-year-old Danny Gonen was murdered and another man was wounded.
“We welcome the unique and heroic operation that took place near Ramallah,” said Hamas spokesman Husam Badran. “We, and with us all our people, view with the utmost respect and appreciation those pure hands who held on to the resistance and turned their fire toward the occupier.”
"Israel and its supporters delude themselves if they think the crimes against our people will continue without a response from the resistance,” he added.
According to investigators, the two victims of Friday’s attack were finishing a trip to a nearby spring and had begun leaving when a Palestinian Arab standing at the side of the road waved them down, apparently asking for help.
As soon as the Israelis’ car pulled up he asked them for water, and then shot them at point-blank range and fled the scene.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said earlier on Friday evening that Israel will find the terrorist responsible for the shooting.
“The signs on the ground indicate that the shooting incident today near the community of Dolev was a terrorist attack. We are working to identify whoever carried out the attack,” Netanyahu said.
“We should not let the relative quiet deceive us,” he warned, adding, “The efforts to attack us continue constantly, just as we are operating constantly to prevent attacks with all the tools at our disposal.”
President Reuven Rivlin said the attack is “another step in the quiet and serious escalation in acts of terrorism we have witnessed in recent months.”
“We will not accept a situation in which a young hiker has his life taken from him in the land of Israel, because he is Jewish. Security forces will work tirelessly to bring to justice those responsible for this cruel and brutal act,” declared Rivlin.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

Hamas Welcomes Shooting Attack as 'Heroic Operation' - 20 June 2015

The Hamas terrorist group on Friday welcomed the shooting attack near the town of Dolev in the Binyamin region, in which 25-year-old Danny Gonen was murdered and another man was wounded.
“We welcome the unique and heroic operation that took place near Ramallah,” said Hamas spokesman Husam Badran. “We, and with us all our people, view with the utmost respect and appreciation those pure hands who held on to the resistance and turned their fire toward the occupier.”
"Israel and its supporters delude themselves if they think the crimes against our people will continue without a response from the resistance,” he added.
According to investigators, the two victims of Friday’s attack were finishing a trip to a nearby spring and had begun leaving when a Palestinian Arab standing at the side of the road waved them down, apparently asking for help.
As soon as the Israelis’ car pulled up he asked them for water, and then shot them at point-blank range and fled the scene.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said earlier on Friday evening that Israel will find the terrorist responsible for the shooting.
“The signs on the ground indicate that the shooting incident today near the community of Dolev was a terrorist attack. We are working to identify whoever carried out the attack,” Netanyahu said.
“We should not let the relative quiet deceive us,” he warned, adding, “The efforts to attack us continue constantly, just as we are operating constantly to prevent attacks with all the tools at our disposal.”
President Reuven Rivlin said the attack is “another step in the quiet and serious escalation in acts of terrorism we have witnessed in recent months.”
“We will not accept a situation in which a young hiker has his life taken from him in the land of Israel, because he is Jewish. Security forces will work tirelessly to bring to justice those responsible for this cruel and brutal act,” declared Rivlin.

so Hamas doesn't think they. Should investigate this crime?   No arrests.?

[lego 44,165]

 

 

http://www.ochaopt.org/poc09june-15june.aspx

 

[Melech 9,900]

"According to Israeli media, both men were shot while they were about to throw firebombs."

 

There you go