Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 How can you say that? This whole thread and all the other threads we've had on this topic consist of both sides of this issue posting stories that support their perspective. bias = one sided. Objective - no sided. I shouldn't have to explain. The thread is about the conflict ... Some posts take a side some do not. All opinions are welcome. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 There is no going back from what has been done to the Palestinians. It's the same as what happened to the Native Americans and aboriginal Australians. But really, it's the whole Earth, being gobbled down by the US, UK, Israel and Australia. (they're all one force, that's why they fight the same wars together, share the same mindless culture, and share their enslavement of the Earth) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny You're kidding, right? How dare you compare this bull**** of a fake nation to what happened to the Natives and Aborigines. Also, don't bring conspiracy here... Palestinian is a fake nationality. They are just Arabs, and they're not native to the area at all. You should read this article. http://www.imninalu.net/myths-pals.htm No bias and every single fact is cited. The truth is that Arabs immigrated to the land during the 19th century and now they're claiming that it's theirs. "Palestine" the name was stolen from Greek Philistines who came from Crete to invade Egypt/Israel during Pharaoh Ramses III's reign. No where before the Romans was a "Palestine" every mentioned. Not in any bible, Jewish, Assyrian, Chaldean, etc, nor any Arabic sources. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Quote from former PLO terrorist Walid Shoebat"Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out."http://www.jewishvoice.org/who-is-yeshua/jews-who-believed/walid-shoebat.html - Jewish presence in Israel for more than 5,000 years.http://www.ijs.org.au/Jerusalem-a-Jewish-Perspective/default.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Walid Shoebat Right wing looney, fraud, "ex terrorist" turned zionist. http://walid-shoebat.blogspot.fi/2011/07/jerusalem-post-palestinian-terrorist.html?m=1 http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/walid-shoebat/ This thread should be reduced to present news, not this bs propaganda. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Walid Shoebat Right wing looney, fraud, "ex terrorist" turned zionist. http://walid-shoebat.blogspot.fi/2011/07/jerusalem-post-palestinian-terrorist.html?m=1 http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/walid-shoebat/ This thread should be reduced to present news, not this bs propaganda. "Bs propaganda" = a quote from a former terrorist/witness Okay, ms. lego! Let's turn this thread from the truth to your bull**** propaganda, like last time. Whatever you say and do, you can't deny the facts in this: http://www.imninalu.net/myths-pals.htm Stop fighting for something you already know, you just wanna keep pushing lies. Just because you're a muslim doesn't mean that you know everything about what happens in the Middle East, ma'am. "Palestine" is a lie and you know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Anyone can claim to be "ex terrorist" to spread zionist propaganda for big bucks.Don't talk to me or try to guess anything about me mr. "I-needed-money-so-I-tried-to-sell-fake-snippets-to-little-monsters".You were banned for a reason.Stop trying to derail this thread, everything was fine until you showed up. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Desmond Tutu, the South African archbishop, has endorsed the divestment call. In a message to the United Church of Christ this week, he affirmed that “economic pressure can force the most powerful to the table.” All of the resolutions in question cite the Kairos Palestine document, signed by some 3,000 Palestinian Christians, which calls for “boycott and disinvestment as tools of nonviolence for justice, peace and security for all.”https://electronicintifada.net/content/will-us-churches-help-bring-down-israels-prison-walls/14624 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Anyone can claim to be "ex terrorist" to spread zionist propaganda for big bucks.Don't talk to me or try to guess anything about me mr. "I-needed-money-so-I-tried-to-sell-fake-snippets-to-little-monsters".You were banned for a reason.Stop trying to derail this thread, everything was fine until you showed up.I was banned because I was accused of doing something I didn't do, and I was unbanned 7 months ago.... Very off topic, typical of you to try to throw off the topic by attacking me. You're too predictable.Yes, everything was fine until I came in here and posted facts, not bull**** propaganda.No matter what you say to me, accuse me of, or anything else, you CANNOT deny the facts in this page.http://www.imninalu.net/myths-pals.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Israeli top brass plays Gaza war crimes blame gameThe Israel Defense Forces, the Shin Bet security service and the upper echelons of the government are all trying to ensure they’re not the ones being called to international justice for potential war crimes. Israel's fight against the upcoming UN Human Rights Council report, and claims from other international organizations about harming Palestinian civilians during last summer’s Operation Protective Edge in Gaza is not the real story. It’s only a front. Forget the international arena. The fiercest battle is an internal one. It’s the Israel Defense Forces against the Shin Bet security service and those above it (in the government). When suspicions of war crimes abound, what is the practical significance in the chain of command? Where does the buck stop? Who are the responsible ones that are liable to be arrested should they set foot in a foreign airport? What was sufficient during the time of Baruch Goldstein is insufficient in the age of Richard Goldstone. Israel handled the investigation of the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre internally, after Goldstein, an armed captain in IDF uniform, murdered 29 Muslim worshippers in Hebron. The world left alone and showed restraint after Ehud Barak, the chief of staff at the time, declared that the country and its army was struck by “thunder on a clear day.” No one foresaw it and no one was condemned as responsible. It was an internal matter, like the 1956 massacre in the Arab-Israeli town of Kafr Qasem. Not only that: the 20th century was filed away. The current century, however, is characterized by invasive probing a la the UN’s Goldstone Commission, which followed Operation Cast Lead six years ago. The Goldstone report came out in September 2009, and that was followed nine months later by the Mavi Marmara affair (when nine activists were killed after IDF soldiers boarded the ship, part of a Gaza-bound flotilla). Replicating the damage-limitation style that worked in previous operations, Israel rushed to preempt the Goldstones and investigated itself with a domestic commission, albeit backed up by sympathetic international observers (who were reportedly well compensated). The logic was that an internal investigation that is perceived as reliable would make Israel immune from an international investigation and render it superfluous. The Jacob Turkel Committee, headed by the former Supreme Court justice, did thorough work. After investigating the May 2010 incident, and its legal and operational aspects, it shook off the dust from broader issues. The government then appointed a team to implement Turkel’s recommendations, headed by Joseph Ciechanover, a former Foreign Ministry director general and legal adviser to the defense establishment. Other members included two deputy attorney generals, Raz Nizri (criminal law) and Roy Schöndorf (international law), as well as IDF representative Herzi Halevy (before he was promoted to general and named chief of Military Intelligence) and Rahel Dolev (from the Military Advocate General’s office). Dolev was recused from hearings regarding the Shin Bet due to conflicts of interest. The chief military advocate general at the time, Maj. Gen. Avichai Mendelblit, was torn between his two commanders – the chief of staff and the attorney general – and was limited when collecting information about war crimes during an operational investigation, as officers tend to shut up when they go from being informally questioned to being officially investigated. They consult with lawyers and try avoid implicating themselves. Thrown to the dogs? Completion of the team’s work, which was conducted mostly in 2014, stalled apparently because of the recent Knesset election and in practice because of pointed disputes between those involved. The most important question was whether the politicians would once again throw the army to the dogs, as one senior officer put it. “It won’t help them,” the officer added, “because implementing the Turkel Report is meant to buy Israel an insurance policy. And if the government avoids payment, it won’t get the coverage. “No one in the world will believe that the GOC Southern Command chief or the chief of staff are responsible for an operation in Gaza. Or that the GOC Central Command chief, and not the defense minister and the government, is really the sovereign in Hebron and Nablus – that the IDF just woke up one morning and started to act, and that the politicians can wash their hands of it.” Micromanaging leads to macro-responsibility during the process of approving routine operations and sorties, all the more so when it comes to wars and emergencies. The U.S. laws of war Last week, the general counsel of the U.S. Department of Defense, Stephen Preston, issued the Pentagon’s first laws of war manual. Preston, a former general counsel for the Navy and the CIA, has his name affixed to the 1,200-page volume, which includes many excerpts from the Israeli experience of fighting terror, exceptional permissions during investigations of suspects and harming innocent civilians. One of the manual’s more interesting chapters deals with the responsibility of the various levels in command of the army (or military organization). On the one hand, it’s a framework for targeted assassinations of senior commanders. On the other, the highest responsibility is being ascribed to war crimes, all the way up to the White House – and, by extension, to the Israeli prime minister. Leaders are legitimate targets, by fire or indictment, be they at the head of an operational chain of command or military forces, according to the Pentagon document. For example, as the commander-in-chief of the U.S. armed forces, the President would be a legitimate target in wartime, as would, for example, the Prime Minister of a constitutional monarchy,” reads the manual. “In contrast, the reigning monarch of a constitutional monarchy with an essentially ceremonial role in State affairs may not be made the object of attack.” In other words, Barack Obama, David Cameron, Vladimir Putin, François Hollande, Benjamin Netanyahu – yes; Elizabeth II and Reuven Rivlin – no. In addition, the list of permitted targets includes leaders planning “or authorizing a combat operation.” In Israel’s case, these include the defense minister, members of the security cabinet and perhaps all members of the government. Clearly, the Pentagon manual is not binding for Israel, but one can conclude from the positions expressed within it what U.S. representatives would say about the Israeli claim, if prosecuted at the International Criminal Court in The Hague or another war crimes forum, that responsibility stops with those in fatigues. Will a brigade commander who shelled a civilian center or a pilot who bombed it, based on intelligence he received form the Shin Bet and with authorization from superiors – on up to the government – be abandoned? Or will those superiors also join him on the bench? They could very well end up on that bench, along with their legal advisers who participated in the consultations and added their signature to the military order.http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.662144 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 She ignores the facts. How can no one else see this? I quote her with facts, she goes nuts and posts about something else, disregarding facts. This, GagaDaily, is ms. lego for you. @Lego You're trying so hard on a Lady GaGa forum. Your accusations, lies, and propaganda posts aren't going to change a single thing about the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 There is no going back from what has been done to the Palestinians. It's the same as what happened to the Native Americans and aboriginal Australians. But really, it's the whole Earth, being gobbled down by the US, UK, Israel and Australia. (they're all one force, that's why they fight the same wars together, share the same mindless culture, and share their enslavement of the Earth) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny Dude, what the hell ?!?! Some read too much leftist or right conspiracy theories. Lmao. I guess in the end it's all the Jews, because Jews want to have world power and all the goyim are the slaves. Yeah sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 She ignores the facts. How can no one else see this? I quote her with facts, she goes nuts and posts about something else, disregarding facts. This, GagaDaily, is ms. lego for you. @Lego You're trying so hard on a Lady GaGa forum. Your accusations, lies, and propaganda posts aren't going to change a single thing about the situation. It's always the same. If she don't have any arguments anymore ,she gets personal. She doesn't care or try to understand Israeli situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Desmond Tutu, the South African archbishop, has endorsed the divestment call. In a message to the United Church of Christ this week, he affirmed that “economic pressure can force the most powerful to the table.” All of the resolutions in question cite the Kairos Palestine document, signed by some 3,000 Palestinian Christians, which calls for “boycott and disinvestment as tools of nonviolence for justice, peace and security for all.”https://electronicintifada.net/content/will-us-churches-help-bring-down-israels-prison-walls/14624Let's talk about Christians in Palesinte? Okay? What about all those forced conversion to Islam? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Let's talk about Christians in Palestine? Okay? What about all those forced conversion to Islam? Speaking about forced conversion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant#Conquest_of_Palestine The city of Nablus (popular city in the West Bank) was comprised of all Samaritan people. Samaritans are from the Tribe Isaac of the 12 Israelite tribes. Arabs destroyed the original Nablus and forced thousands of Samaritans to convert to islam or die. The Samaritans did not disappear. They're still there, thinking they're Arab, not knowing their true and rich history. Also, there are some villages in the West Bank where the people know they're ethnically Jewish (from Judeah tribe of Israelites, pure descent) but were forced to convert to islam when the arabs invaded our home. I actually know some people from those villages, a few attended the same school as me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 An Israeli soldier thew a banana peel on the ground. A Palestinian slipped on it .Gaza went into a riot demanding Israel be nuked. News at eleven........8-) like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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