Israel/Palestine Conflict Thread

[Melech 9,900]

"Over the first two days of June 1941, countless numbers of Jewish women in Baghdad were raped, more than 2,000 Jews were injured — many of them mutilated — and 900 homes, as well as 586 Jewish-owned businesses, were looted. All told, according to Iraqi-born historian Elie Kedourie, 600 Jews, including children and infants, were slaughtered. This Nazi-inspired pogrom is known as the Farhud, which in Kurdish means violent dispossession, and it marked the beginning of the destruction of the Iraq’s 2,600-year-old Jewish community, which beforehand had numbered more than 75,000 in Baghdad and 120,000 throughout Iraq.

The Nazis’ influence in Iraq can be traced back to 1933, when Hitler first came to power, which was just a year after Iraq gained its independence from Britain. Excerpts from “Mein Kampf” began appearing serially in Iraqi’s newspaper Al-Alem Al Arabi (The Arabic World), which had been purchased by Germany’s ambassador to Iraq, Dr. Fritz Grobba. A youth organization, Al Fatwaa, similar to the Hitler Youth, was formed, and Radio Berlin began to broadcast anti-Semitic propaganda in Arabic.

Pro-Nazis had taken power of the Iraqi government just two months before in a coup staged by Gen. Rashid Ali al-Gaylani and four generals, called the Golden Square, with support from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, a Nazi collaborator in exile in Baghdad. They overthrew the former, pro-British government and exiled the young King Faisal II and his regent, Prince Abdul Ilah."

http://www.jewishjournal.com/shavuot/article/witnesses_to_iraqs_farhud

 

"Jews lived peaceful next to Muslims" 

[Didymus 34,380]

"Over the first two days of June 1941, countless numbers of Jewish women in Baghdad were raped, more than 2,000 Jews were injured — many of them mutilated — and 900 homes, as well as 586 Jewish-owned businesses, were looted. All told, according to Iraqi-born historian Elie Kedourie, 600 Jews, including children and infants, were slaughtered. This Nazi-inspired pogrom is known as the Farhud, which in Kurdish means violent dispossession, and it marked the beginning of the destruction of the Iraq’s 2,600-year-old Jewish community, which beforehand had numbered more than 75,000 in Baghdad and 120,000 throughout Iraq.

The Nazis’ influence in Iraq can be traced back to 1933, when Hitler first came to power, which was just a year after Iraq gained its independence from Britain. Excerpts from “Mein Kampf” began appearing serially in Iraqi’s newspaper Al-Alem Al Arabi (The Arabic World), which had been purchased by Germany’s ambassador to Iraq, Dr. Fritz Grobba. A youth organization, Al Fatwaa, similar to the Hitler Youth, was formed, and Radio Berlin began to broadcast anti-Semitic propaganda in Arabic.

Pro-Nazis had taken power of the Iraqi government just two months before in a coup staged by Gen. Rashid Ali al-Gaylani and four generals, called the Golden Square, with support from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, a Nazi collaborator in exile in Baghdad. They overthrew the former, pro-British government and exiled the young King Faisal II and his regent, Prince Abdul Ilah."

http://www.jewishjournal.com/shavuot/article/witnesses_to_iraqs_farhud

"Jews lived peaceful next to Muslims" 

You just attacked lego for posting something off-topic (while it actually mentioned Netanyahu) and then you post this ****

The conflict discussed in this thread isn't about Jews vs. Muslims. And Baghdad IS a world famous historical example of peaceful religious co-existence. The events you posted were, as it says ironically, the beginning of the end of that co-existence. So whatever you're trying to prove here is automatically wrong, especially since it was the influence of a Nazi philosophy that inspired Muslims living there to break up their long peace with the Jewish community.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

You just attacked lego for posting something off-topic (while it actually mentioned Netanyahu) and then you post this ****

The conflict discussed in this thread isn't about Jews vs. Muslims. And Baghdad IS a world famous historical example of peaceful religious co-existence. The events you posted were, as it says ironically, the beginning of the end of that co-existence. So whatever you're trying to prove here is automatically wrong, especially since it was the influence of a Nazi philosophy that inspired Muslims living there to break up their long peace with the Jewish community.

So the Palestinian conflict has nothing 'at all' to do with the Muslim extremism?  Just land? 

 

 

[lego 44,165]

Yet another example of how Israel doesn't give one jot about adhering to international law. But it's already predictable that there will be no legal answer. Which is incredible and incredibly sad.

He's cute too Why arrested though omg, how is marching in a protest against illegal conduct worthy of any repercussions whatsoever?

I can't find anything about "Fighters for Peace" though. They probably mean Combatants for Peace which is a joint organization of Israelis and Palestinians.

One thing is for sure, they cannot blame "khamaas" for this.

 

more related news...

 

 

 

Israeli Police Invades Church, Confiscates Furniture

The Israeli police and personnel of the “Israel Land Administration” invaded, on June 29, the local church in the depopulated Christian village of Eqreth, in ‘Akka (Acre), and confiscated all of its furniture and belongings.

 

“We will never give up. We will remain here no matter what,” Father Suheil Khoury said. “This is our church; this is our land that we inherited from our fathers and forefathers. We believe in our Right of Return, and we will remain steadfast.” 

 

Father Khoury told Al-Arab News Agency that officers and an official searched the church, confiscating everything, including chairs and tables, in addition to destroying and uprooting plants in the church compound.

 

He added that the Israeli government is practicing illegal policies meant to terrorize Palestinians and force them to leave their historic land. 

 

“We are here to stay; this is our land, no matter what they do,” he added. “We always hold protest against the ongoing harassment and violations.”

 

Al-Arab has quoted the head of the Eqreth Residents Committee, Dr. Ibrahim Atallah, stating that the police even confiscated an electricity cable that is used by the church.

 

“We grew accustomed to these violations, but they cannot terrorize us,” he said. “We will continue our activities; their attacks will never deter us.” 

 

“Our hope is in our youths in Eqreth to remain steadfast and determined in this blessed land,” Dr. Attallah stated. “One day, we will return to our village, our land.”

 

Eqreth is a Palestinian Christian village, one of hundreds of Palestinian villages and towns depopulated and destroyed by the Israeli forces prior to the establishment of the state of Israel in the historic land of Palestine.

 

It is located near 25.5 Kilometers northeast of ‘Akka, on a hill 550 meters above the sea level, and only a few kilometers away from the Lebanese border. Its inhabitants largely took refuge in nearby villages, and in Lebanon, between 1948 and 1951, after repeated attacks by armed Israeli groups.

 

Eqreth had around 50 homes and 339 inhabitants in 1931, and nearly 490 inhabitants in 1945. It is surrounded by two Israeli settlements; Shomra, established in 1949, and “Even Menachem” that was established in 1950. In 1980, Israel established “Gornot HaGalil” settlement on the village lands.

 

The only building that it still standing in Eqreth is the Roman Catholic Church, while the internally displaced inhabitants continue to hold both repeated protests, demanding their right to return, and annual summer camps to teach the children about their village, history and steadfastness.

http://www.imemc.org/article/72120ture

 

 

[Didymus 34,380]

So the Palestinian conflict has nothing 'at all' to do with the Muslim extremism?  Just land?

Mostly, yes. Jews' migration to Israel in a Zionist context started growing in the 19th century. The first violent conflicts between Arabs and Jews started in the beginning of the 20th century and that conflict was not religious (or cultural), but geopolitical. Britain's attempt to keep a second conflict from happening after World War II (which showed a non-Muslim extremism obviously) was rejected by both Jews and Arabs, showing that geopolitical concerns were still on the forefront. The Arabs' disapproval of the UN solution was also rejected on geopolitical grounds. Since the idea of ethnic cleansing is still debated among historians, I won't go into that, but it's very clear to me that the absolute core and origin of the problem is geographical and political and not in the least religious or cultural, even if religious and cultural fashionings of the conflict gave and give meaning to it for the people living there.

Which makes Simon's post 100% off-topic, yes.

[Didymus 34,380]

The Israeli police and personnel of the “Israel Land Administration” invaded, on June 29, the local church in the depopulated Christian village of Eqreth, in ‘Akka (Acre), and confiscated all of its furniture and belongings.

“We will never give up. We will remain here no matter what,” Father Suheil Khoury said. “This is our church; this is our land that we inherited from our fathers and forefathers. We believe in our Right of Return, and we will remain steadfast.” 

Father Khoury told Al-Arab News Agency that officers and an official searched the church, confiscating everything, including chairs and tables, in addition to destroying and uprooting plants in the church compound.

He added that the Israeli government is practicing illegal policies meant to terrorize Palestinians and force them to leave their historic land. 

“We are here to stay; this is our land, no matter what they do,” he added. “We always hold protest against the ongoing harassment and violations.”

Al-Arab has quoted the head of the Eqreth Residents Committee, Dr. Ibrahim Atallah, stating that the police even confiscated an electricity cable that is used by the church.

“We grew accustomed to these violations, but they cannot terrorize us,” he said. “We will continue our activities; their attacks will never deter us.” 

“Our hope is in our youths in Eqreth to remain steadfast and determined in this blessed land,” Dr. Attallah stated. “One day, we will return to our village, our land.”

Eqreth is a Palestinian Christian village, one of hundreds of Palestinian villages and towns depopulated and destroyed by the Israeli forces prior to the establishment of the state of Israel in the historic land of Palestine.

It is located near 25.5 Kilometers northeast of ‘Akka, on a hill 550 meters above the sea level, and only a few kilometers away from the Lebanese border. Its inhabitants largely took refuge in nearby villages, and in Lebanon, between 1948 and 1951, after repeated attacks by armed Israeli groups.

Eqreth had around 50 homes and 339 inhabitants in 1931, and nearly 490 inhabitants in 1945. It is surrounded by two Israeli settlements; Shomra, established in 1949, and “Even Menachem” that was established in 1950. In 1980, Israel established “Gornot HaGalil” settlement on the village lands.

The only building that it still standing in Eqreth is the Roman Catholic Church, while the internally displaced inhabitants continue to hold both repeated protests, demanding their right to return, and annual summer camps to teach the children about their village, history and steadfastness.

http://www.imemc.org/article/72120ture

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It's so interesting to see how Israel is gunning for Christianity as well, I never really thought about that or heard about it. These people are ****ing brave. Respect.

And incredibly ironic but sad that the same "return to our homeland" rhetoric is visible in Palestinian refugees or people terrorized for living where they are. That makes the conflict only so much more complex.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

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It's so interesting to see how Israel is gunning for Christianity as well, I never really thought about that or heard about it. These people are ****ing brave. Respect.

And incredibly ironic but sad that the same "return to our homeland" rhetoric is visible in Palestinian refugees or people terrorized for living where they are. That makes the conflict only so much more complex.

while I respect your viewpoint, I couldn't disagree more.   Thanks for explaining you opinion without getting personal.  I see what Simon is trying to say here, and believe that Zionism isn't the evil driving the war in Palestine, but more an outside influence pressuring and already difficult situation.  Denying that the Jewish have a right to their homeland is center to blocking any peace. No other issues can be resoved until this issue is out in the open.  Simply basing everything Isreal does makes things worse and intensifies the notion that war is the only solution.

[Didymus 34,380]

while I respect your viewpoint, I couldn't disagree more.   Thanks for expiring you opinion without getting personal.  I see what Simon is trying to say here, and believe that Zionism isn't the evil driving the war in Palestine, but more an outside influence pressuring and already difficult situation.  Denying that the Jewish have a right to their homeland is center to blocking any peace. No other issues can be resolves until this issue is out in the open.  Simply basing everything Isreal does makes things worse and intensifies the notion that war is the only solution.

I'm confused

I'm not at all saying that Zionism is the evil driving the war (since conflicts didn't start until looong after the movement began and the early organizations/colonies in Palestine were actually great) and I never denied a Jewish claim (as much as I detest it for personal reasons that aren't relevant here). I think the Jewish claim is long accepted by now, especially since Israel is recognized and Palestine hardly is on a political level.

I think dwelling on the past is useless and dull (one of the reasons I dislike the Jewish claim) which is why I focus on Netanyahu's policies now and nothing else when I think of this conflict and it seems to me that his ongoing policies are one of the main factors in peace not being established. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to say.

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Thank you Didymus and Hmm for posting your opinions without attacking other viewpoints, I respect that. 

OT: regarding Christianity, I have absolutely no idea why they're doing that. I never hear anything negative about Christians or the religion where I live, there's many muslim and christian Arabs that we live with, but I've just never heard anything negative about them so I'm quite confused where the negativity comes from...

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

I'm confused

I'm not at all saying that Zionism is the evil driving the war (since conflicts didn't start until looong after the movement began and the early organizations/colonies in Palestine were actually great) and I never denied a Jewish claim (as much as I detest it for personal reasons that aren't relevant here). I think the Jewish claim is long accepted by now, especially since Israel is recognized and Palestine hardly is on a political level.

I think dwelling on the past is useless and dull (one of the reasons I dislike the Jewish claim) which is why I focus on Netanyahu's policies now and nothing else when I think of this conflict and it seems to me that his ongoing policies are one of the main factors in peace not being established. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to say.

fair enough, I agree that  Netanyahu's policies are on th extreme side with some criminal activities in question.  But his task is a difficult one,  they are surrounded by fanatical groups and those that do make peace get attacked.  Egypt for example.  Lastly, previous attempts to ease the Palestinian's who do suffer get derailed by the leadership that represented them.   

 

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fair enough, I agree that  Netanyahu's policies are on th extreme side with some criminal activities in question.  But his task is a difficult one,  they are surrounded by fanatical groups and those that do make peace get attacked.  Egypt for example.  Lastly, previous attempts to ease the Palestinian's who do suffer get derailed by the leadership that represented them.

This is what the world needs to understand. Apartheid? By hamas. Forced to do terrorist activites? By hamas. Getting murdered? By hamas.

[Pandemiya 61]

Meanwhile 1.6 million tons of goods and aid have entered Gaza from and by Israel, this is all that was aboard the 'flotilla'.

 

[Pandemiya 61]

I'm laughing so much. These are unfortunately the lies that the world believes:

The "Palestinians" wish they had Kana'anim roots... they are simply Arabs who descend from the Arab army that invaded Israel in 640 CE plus Arab farmer immigrants during 19th century. Nothing more, nothing less. How dare they claim ancestry that isn't theirs. Lies, it's what it is. 

[River 127,556]

You just attacked lego for posting something off-topic (while it actually mentioned Netanyahu) and then you post this ****

The conflict discussed in this thread isn't about Jews vs. Muslims. And Baghdad IS a world famous historical example of peaceful religious co-existence. The events you posted were, as it says ironically, the beginning of the end of that co-existence. So whatever you're trying to prove here is automatically wrong, especially since it was the influence of a Nazi philosophy that inspired Muslims living there to break up their long peace with the Jewish community.

Nice to know that for you the murders of my family members, people that I will never know, is "s*hit" and not relevant.. show some respect.

My grandfather still remember how they took his baby brother, 5 months old, and cut off of his hand because he had a gold bracelet, and then threw him out of the window,  how they invaded his house and took everything, and how they raped my great grand mother and killed her, all this in front of his eyes.

so no, it's not S*hit.

[Melech 9,900]

Nice to know that for you the murders of my family members, people that I will never know, is "s*hit" and not relevant.. show some respect.

My grandfather still remember how they took his baby brother, 5 months old, and cut off of his hand because he had a gold bracelet, and then threw him out of the window,  how they invaded his house and took everything, and how they raped my great grand mother and killed her, all this in front of his eyes.

so no, it's not S*hit.

I'm sorry to hear that