Israel/Palestine Conflict Thread

[hmm 979]

Jews and Christians don't have the same God or Jews/Moslems/Christians have the same God. No other way. 

 

Christianity =/= judaism

I think the point he's getting at it is that the bible regularly refers to the 'rebuilding of Israel' (as a pre-requisite for Jesus' return) and that those against 'Israel' (in the biblical sense) are against God, which probably explains some staunch Christians' support of Israel  

[Tokyo Rose 1,475]

Jewish fundamentalists maintain that Christ claiming to be the son of God is blasphemy. 

In fact, if religious beliefs where the main focus , then the U.S. would be at war with Israel.  LOL

I never said American Christians were sane in their support of the State of Israel, it is what it is.

In fact I would say they're amoung the most insane!

So my point stands.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

I think the point he's getting at it is that the bible regularly refers to the 'rebuilding of Israel' (as a pre-requisite for Jesus' return) and that those against 'Israel' (in the biblical sense) are against God, which probably explains some staunch Christians' support of Israel  

If you take out the life of Christ , then they are compatible and share most of the same history.

[Dolev 867]

I never read anything about the PA or Hamas or Hezbola or any organized Arab Islamic religious group condem attacks against Israeli or Christian civilians much less arrest them... In fact they seem to applaud.

that's one of the biggest arguments in this conflict between the Arab side and the Israeli government. Not only that condemnations of terror attacks are really, really rare to find, but terrorists are being praised, even by officials, and streets, squares and sport competitions are being named after them across Palestine & the Arab world. Israel has argued the PA many times to stop glamorization of terror.

[Dolev 867]

 

[Pandemiya 61]

"Every innocent life lost is a tragedy, but international groups and Hamas raced last summer to publicize higher and higher death tolls, with the terror organization going so far as to publish guidelines stating that “anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from the Gaza Strip or Palestine.” As it turns out, of the 2,125 Palestinian deaths in last summer’s war, 36% (761 people) were civilians, while 44% (936 people) have been positively identified as combatants. Most of the fatalities that the army has not yet been able to classify were military-aged males. While these totals are certainly high, they are in line with, and in many cases lower than, civilian death rates in other situations in which democratic nations engage in asymmetrical warfare.

http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=7oJILSPwFfJSG&b=9077509&ct=14727193

 

Oh yeah, Israel kills women and kids for fun, huh?

 

 

[Pandemiya 61]

Forgot to post this earlier.

Jordan IS Palestine.

This map shows the 1922 British Mandate of Palestine, which included Israel and Transjordan. Both countries were in the same state in the Mandate. When Israel got it's independence from Britain, The east area of the Jordan river was named to just Jordan, when it already IS a Palestine for Arabs. Why has no one ever said anything about this before? Because: they want Arabs to steal the Jewish homeland, again.

 

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

Forgot to post this earlier.

Jordan IS Palestine.

 

This map shows the 1922 British Mandate of Palestine, which included Israel and Transjordan. Both countries were in the same state in the Mandate. When Israel got it's independence from Britain, The east area of the Jordan river was named to just Jordan, when it already IS a Palestine for Arabs. Why has no one ever said anything about this before? Because: they want Arabs to steal the Jewish homeland, again.

 

 

the Arab leaders don't recognize the British authority to draw the borders of their nations.  That's the main focus of the conflict and stumbling block for negotiating peace.    The existence of Israel in any form infuriates many of them.

[Pandemiya 61]

the Arab leaders don't recognize the British authority to draw the borders of their nations.  That's the main focus of the conflict and stumbling block for negotiating peace.    The existence of Israel in any form infuriates many of them.

Aside from that, how many times has Israel offered a Palestinian Partition? Too many times.

Every time we've offered, they said that if it went through and they got an independent Palestine state, they would declare war on us and wipe us off the planet. Why does no one say anything about that?  The truth is just a simple Google search away. They don't want peace, and will kill us all, even if it means sacrificing their own people to create a concrete view of Israel by the media...

[lego 44,165]

 

UN commission finds evidence of war crimes by Israel, Hamas during 2014 Gaza war

The commission's report, which was appointed by the UN Human Rights Council, says scale of devastation in Gaza will impact generations to come.

An independent United Nations commission of inquiry on Monday released its report on Operation Protective Edge, finding evidence that both Israel and Hamas committed war crimes during the war in the Gaza Strip last summer and calling the devastation caused in the Palestinian territory "unprecedented."

 

The members of the commission, which was appointed by the UN Human Rights Council, hinted in their report that the upper levels of the Israeli political echelon were responsible for the policies that left to some of these war crimes.

 “The extent of the devastation and human suffering in Gaza was unprecedented and will impact generations to come,” the chair of the commission, Justice Mary McGowan Davis told a press briefing on Monday. "There is also on-going fear in Israel among communities who come under regular threat.”

 

The report found that at least 142 Palestinian families lost three or more members during an attack on a residential building, which caused 742 deaths. "The fact that Israel did not revise its practice of air-strikes, even after their dire effects on civilians became apparent, raises the question of whether this was part of a broader policy which was at least tacitly approved at the highest level of government," the commission found, according press release accompanying the publication of the report.

 

"The commission is concerned about Israel’s extensive use of weapons with a wide kill and injury radius; though not illegal, their use in densely populated areas is highly likely to kill combatants and civilians indiscriminately," the commission found, according to the press release. "There appears also to be a pattern whereby the IDF issued warnings to people to leave a neighborhood and then automatically considered anyone remaining to be a fighter. This practice makes attacks on civilians highly likely."

 

The report also described the "immense distress and disruption to Israeli civilians" due to the "indiscriminate" firing of rockets from Gaza.

 

"With regard to Palestinian armed groups, the commission has serious concerns with regard to the inherently indiscriminate nature of most of the projectiles directed towards Israel by these groups and to the targeting of Israeli civilians, which violate international humanitarian law and may amount to a war crime," the commission wrote. "The increased level of fear among Israeli civilians resulting from the use of tunnels was palpable. The commission also condemns the extrajudicial executions of alleged 'collaborators,' which amount to a war crime."

"The commission cannot exclude the possibility that the indiscriminate rocket attacks may constitute acts of violence whose primary purpose is to spread terror amongst the civilian population," the commission found in its report.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.662389

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.653835

 

[Melech 9,900]

 

 

 

 

 

[Pandemiya 61]

Gaza in 2003 under Israeli Authority

Gaza after being handed to hamas in 2004 

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Israel continues to give PA material to rebuild Gaza monthly, but this is what they're building instead of building the city:

Tunnels that are going to be used to launch terrorist attacks on Israel on holy Jewish Holidays.

 

[Jjang 2,262]

Seeing as we already have a recognizable pattern ; I wouldn't be surprised if another war breaks this summer. 

[lego 44,165]

Israel bans publication of details of report into church arson attack

Israeli police yesterday obtained a court order banning the publication of details of the investigation into the burning of Tabgha's Church of the Multiplication of the Loaves and Fish last week.

 

Large crowds participated in the Sunday mass in the church and the protest rally following it.

 

A Jerusalem magistrate's court banned the publication of any details which could lead to the identification of any of the suspects.

 

The decision is valid until the 21 July.

 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu instructed the General Security Service to investigate the attack on the church.

 

Since 2011, 17 hate crimes have been committed inside the Green Line in Jerusalem. The perpetrators of the 17 crimes, which targeted mosques and churches, have not been prosecuted.

 

According to a report published last week by Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the early months of 2014 saw a 200 per cent increase in such crimes which were attributed to far right groups. The overwhelming majority of the criminals responsible for those attacks were not brought to trial.

 

Thousands of Arab Israelis protested on Sunday against the arson attack. The demonstrators called for the protection of Christian and Muslim holy sites from Jewish settlers. The former Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Michel Sabbah, and Bishop Giacinto-Boulos Marcuzzo led a special Mass inside the church "in protest against the deliberate attack".

 

http://linkis.com/com/nbj1k

 

[Tokyo Rose 1,475]

Why has no one ever said anything about this before? Because: they want Arabs to steal the Jewish homeland, again.

Israel supporters just keep on exposing their blatant racism.

The Arab population was already living in Israel before any British mandate, how can you with a sane mind refer to "stealing Jewish homeland", that is pure insanity right there.  

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.