Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 it's not everywhere like in the USA. The history between Israelis and Palestinians is way to long. Palestinians kids basically getting educated to hate Israel. The Israelis and the Palestinians don't have much a like. Just look at social issues like homos-xuality or even woman rights. That's the part that makes it difficult to view them as victims. Their culture is hatred towards Israel. Israel on the other side has been grabbing land which makes it hard to view them as law abiding. What I don't get is the land ownership claims by the Palestinians is 'when did they take ownership?' Prior to 1930...Jordan and many surrounding arab states took land away from Jewish people essentially outlawing them from their homes. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Palestinians kids basically getting educated to hate Israel. That's the part that makes it difficult to view them as victims. Their culture is hatred towards Israel. Woolfsmck how many Palestinian families you know personally to make such a claim? You don't know anything about their culture. And the fact that "it's difficult" for you to see them as victims, shows what kind of person you are. Your dehumanization of them and their suffering is disgusting. You don't need to teach a kid to hate when he survived 3 wars and lost half of his family, house and limbs. Why do you expect them to love the people who stole (and kick them out of) their homes, oppressed them and have been killing them for over 6 decades? And let's not pretend there is no hatred and racism on other side. Among kids and adults alike. You can't be anymore biased on this issue. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Lego has arrived I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Quoting medieval Talmudic scholar, deputy FM tells Israeli diplomats: This is our land Tzipi Hotovely, who in practice is responsible for foreign relations in the absence of a minister, says 'being right and not just smart' is important. Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely (Likud) told ministry employees on Thursday that Israeli diplomats around the world need to begin acting in their contacts with foreign governments according to the principle of “being right and not just smart.” For many years, Hotovely said, Israeli diplomacy has been based on an effort to be smarter in dealing with the world than being right. “We sought to present arguments that would play well diplomatically,” she said, “but currently it’s important to be right. We need to get back to the basic truth of our right to this land.” Hotovely quoted from an article by the late right-wing figure Uri Elitzur, who made the argument that Israel had been speaking since 1967 about its security interests and not about the justice of its approach and as a result, it had not convinced the world that the territories that it captured in the 1967 Six-Day War needed to remain under Israeli control. “It’s important to say [that] this land is ours. All of it is ours. We didn’t come here to apologize for that,” she said. The world understands Israel’s security needs, she said, but arguments relating to morality and justice will always prevail over any security argument. In an effort to demonstrate her point, she gave the large group of diplomats who crowded into the Foreign Ministry auditorium the equivalent of a Torah commentary, speaking about the interpretation by the medieval Jewish scholar Rashi of the story in Genesis about the creation of the world. “Rashi says the Torah opens with the story of the creation of the world so that if the nations of the world come and tell you that you are occupiers, you must respond that all of the land belonged to the creator of world and when he wanted to, he took from them and gave to us,” she quoted from the commentary. She also quoted from Rabbi Yehuda Ashkenazi as saying. “If the Jews are convinced of the justice of their path vis-a-vis the world, they will already manage.” Hotovely also commented on the decline in the standing of the Foreign Ministry and the transfer of some of its authority to other cabinet ministers. “The most important challenge of all is to restore its important position to this ministry,” she said. “Israel’s foreign service has undergone privatization. We need to restore the centrality of the ministry, and it is my intention to raise [these] things with the prime minister.” Israeli diplomats who were present at Hotovely’s speech noted that her remarks raised eyebrows among many in the audience. “People were in shock,” said one diplomat. “It’s the first time they have asked us to use a Tora commentary for purposes of public diplomacy around the world.” Following her speech, Hotovely told journalists that despite her own personal political views, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that he is committed to a two-state solution to the conflict with the Palestinians, and she would act as a spokesperson for that policy. Referring to the cabinet minister in charge of negotiations with the Palestinians, Hotovely added: “But I suggest talking to Silvan Shalom, because he is responsible for the Palestinian issue, and it’s worth asking what he thinks.” Hotovely's stances may put her on a collision course with the international community: A hardliner with regards to the Palestinians, Hotovely opposes the two-state solution and is in favor of annexing the West Bank (which she terms Judea and Samaria, using the biblical names for the region). Hotovely believes that after annexation, Israel could initiate a gradual process of granting Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians. The 36-year-old Hotovely is a relative unknown to the international media, but is a household name in Israel, as both a prominent female member of the mostly male Likud party and as one of Likud's most vocal supporters of the settlements. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.657520 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Hotovely's stances may put her on a collision course with the international community: A hardliner with regards to the Palestinians, Hotovely opposes the two-state solution and is in favor of annexing the West Bank (which she terms Judea and Samaria, using the biblical names for the region).Hotovely believes that after annexation Israel could initiate a gradual process of granting Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians.The international community may also find Hotovely's stance on intermarriage hard to swallow: In her capacity as chairwoman of the Status of Women Committee in the Knesset in 2011, she invited the racist group Lehava to explain how they prevent romantic contacts between Jews and Arabs. Responding to criticism, Hotovely said it was "important to examine procedures for preventing mixed marriages, and Lehava members are the right people for that," Walla reported.As a religious woman, Hotovely generally does not shake hands with men, making meet-and-greets with foreign diplomats problematic. However, she allayed concerns of an impending "shake-gate," telling Yedioth Aharonoth that she intends to act according to the halakha which rules that if a man offers his hand to a woman, it is customary to shake it so as not to insult him. "It's not a problem at all," she said. "When someone meets foreign representatives the Jewish halakha recognizes respect, etiquette and politeness," she said. http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.656661 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,697 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 it's not everywhere like in the USA. The history between Israelis and Palestinians is way to long. Palestinians kids basically getting educated to hate Israel. The Israelis and the Palestinians don't have much a like. Just look at social issues like homos-xuality or even woman rights. My point is, though not every country in the world is like the US, it shows an example where a pragmatic ideal is possible. Just because one is educated or given in to propaganda in such a way, they still have the potential to grow and learn beyond that. That is the sort of thing that brings real peace, with understanding other folks and empathy that comes with it. Stand in the light, cast your shadow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Woolfsmck how many Palestinian families you know personally to make such a claim? You don't know anything about their culture. And the fact that "it's difficult" for you to see them as victims, shows what kind of person you are. Your dehumanization of them and their suffering is disgusting. You don't need to teach a kid to hate when he survived 3 wars and lost half of his family, house and limbs. Why do you expect them to love the people who stole (and kick them out of) their homes, oppressed them and have been killing them for over 6 decades? And let's not pretend there is no hatred and racism on other side. Among kids and adults alike. You can't be anymore biased on this issue. You make my point very concisely...Completely ignoring the Jewish half of the equation. As for your opionion of me personally... go take a flying **** like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 You make my point very concisely...Completely ignoring the Jewish half of the equation. As for your opionion of me personally... go take a flying **** Yeah, go straight for insults and swearing when you lack of arguments. I don't care about you personally, but when you talk bs about the whole nation and their culture, you better know what you're talking about and I'm not talking about posting memri clips. And the fact you skipped my question, just proves my point. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Both nations essentially despise each other on a cultural basis, they just showcase their hate towards the other on different levels and forms given the obvious circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Both nations essentially despise each other on a cultural basis, they just showcase their hate towards the other on different levels and forms given the obvious circumstances.Yeah, the conflict is generational. Grandkids and grandparents.... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiphEret 1,320 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Te hatred is a problem on both side. I actually don't think the Palestinians need to be "educated" to hate Israel: if you live in occupied territory your daily life will suffice to make you hate them because you only see soliders all the time and not on friendly terms.I went to a refugees camp and the guide around 25 years old explained that a lot of the people from his camp are in prison for terrorist actions. Some are only suspected though. He is against violence and that's why he said he "choosed another path" but when he was 13 his best friend got shot by a solider during a protest amon other people. He was a kid too. So my guide was really on the edge to do like terrorist to be violent because your first instinct is to want revenge but he realised growing that it wouldn't solve anything. So now he is showing around the camp and they built up a university within to educate people inside. They want to engage dilaogue but it's hard because there is not a proper government with structure in Palestine.Then on the other side most of the Israelis I spoke don't really want to think of Palestine, they don't like it but they never go unless they have to (military) so they don't know that much. I am talking about the young generation only and the people I met directly. However I remember one also around 20-25 and he talked about Palestine and for him it was about dafety, the fact that they fear Palestinians won't keep their words...Another friend was in the military and she fought on the Gaza stripe so ..that leaves its marks, she is disgusted by what media sats about Palestinian because accoridng to her they send a lot of food and such for them. I don't have much details about that though.So it's a mix of hatred and fear and if almost everyone in the country was involved or has a parent involved in an attack/ conflict/army coming into your village of course they won't like each other very much for a very long time... Sur le sable sur la neige, Sur les images dorées,Sur le front de mes amis, J’écris ton nom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Didn't want to quote u sorry. anyway: rocket sirens in southern israel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 IDF confirms: one rocket exploded.you won't get an ow state like that Palestinians Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 IDF confirms: one rocket exploded.you won't get freedom like that Palestinians No injuries and no damage reported. And you should stop with superior attitude and condescending remarks. You are in no position to grant them (or anyone) freedom.But on other hand, you just admit that they live in open air prison. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 you won't get freedom like that Palestinians major eek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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