Turkey: Accepting Armenian genocide is racist from Europe

[Pandemiya 61]

​It is a realistic perspective. I am putting myself in their shoes, and observe political reactions. Armenian Government wants the money, it is for sure. For other parts, people are just government's puppets. I am saying this for both majority of turks, and armenians. It is easy to engineer a society when tried in a consistent way because people do not research. Nothing is black or white. 

Majority of Turks thinks that Ottoman deported Armenians, only killed terrorist ones because they were killing turks, and sabotaging Ottoman Armies. And Majority of Armenians thinks that Ottoman massacred Armenians because they were not a minority. But both sides are very biased. Ottoman Empire massacred Armenians for sure, but also Armenian organizations, groups revolted countless times in 19th century, sabotaged Ottoman Armies, helped Russian Empire against Ottoman Empire. Argument is that Ottomans massacred Armenians for ethnic cleansing does not make sense because Ottoman was always a multi-cultural country for centuries. There were other even more populous minorities in Anatolia such as Kurds, thinking that Ottoman specifically chose Armenians for no reason is wrong. The fact that they were second-class citizen is dramatized; Ottoman even gave special rights under the name of capitulations to minorities, look it up. And there is also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Gülhane 

Don't get me wrong, I do not say nothing happened. Ottoman massacred armenians, it a horrible decision. What I am saying is emphasizing on the overlooked parts of discussion. 

PS: This video is something commercial, neither official nor academic. And I did not like it, it says things, but also misses many things which bothers me the most about this issue. People are super-biased about taboo issues. It is similar to video I shared tho, one video I shared was telling the cult Turkish arguments, but the reason why I shared it was providing a different perspective , not because I agree with everything it says.

​You sir are just like every other turk I've encountered.

The fact that you are DENYING the Armenian Genocide AND saying your country did NOT do it is absolutely disgusting. 

You're saying "oh, my country didn't do it because it was the empire before the new governate of the SAME country was around!" Ottoman was the ethnical name for Turks. They changed it after World War I because they didn't want "ottoman" to stick with them known about the Armenian genocide. So they switched to "turk". Ottomans were Turks, and Turks ARE Ottomans. They are the same ethnicity. Do you realize how ignorant you sound? Do you? 

To everyone having to read this person's posts... I apologize you are having to read it. It's sad that nearly every turk says the same thing. Do not believe them in any way. 

I actually don't care if you're going to quote me back with some irrelevant essay, but it has been known in this thread by other people of your nastiness.  

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

You need to stop with this whole historical archive argument. There are plenty of photographs of Armenian heads severed and Armenian bodies found along the paths where they were marched out of exile. There are also plenty of records from observing people of other nations documenting the exhile of the Armenian people and the systematic killing of their people by the Ottoman Turks. Furthermore what can Turkey's historical archives possibly provide when their entire history books have been rewritten and any evidence of the genocide been destroyed?

 

furthermore The Ottoman Empire blamed Armenian for losing the war to Russia around the early 1900's and used the Armenians as scapegoats for the loss of the war and used that as justification for killing the Armenian people. And like you said the Ottoman Empire is no longer in existence... So why do the Turks still not admit to something that happened by another empire 100 years ago?

 

Also the Ottoman Empire killed the Armenian politicians and educated men first in order to make the people more defenseless against their exhile of their homeland and extermination of their race that much more easy and successful. This is a systematic killing of a people and thus a genocide. 

 

Also how do you explain how Mount Ararat, a mountain of an Armenian name, is now in current day Turkey. It seems likely that Turkey took over Armenian land and claimed it as its own. Such an achievement most likely occurred through a genocide as there was no war between Armenia and the Ottoman Empire.

 

also go ask many Armenians whose diaspora does not originate from Iran or Lebanon to trace back their family tree beyond 4 generations.... Many of them cannot because those ancestors were killed and did not communicate their family tree/ancestry to their surviving children. 

1- I do not say that armenians were not massacred. Please read carefully what I write. Your answer sounds like a typical answer but my approach is far from being typical. It is neither close to generic turkish argument nor to armenian argument. Historical archives might provide data to call it a genocide or not. Genocide is a political term. Think about it like homophobia, if you hit a gay person because they are gay, you are homophobic. If you hit a gay person because they hurted you somehow, you just hit them. This is the difference between Genocide, and Massacre. Ottoman Monarch simply "hit", but to clarify if it was a massacre or genocide, more data is necessary. Turkish archives also have so many photos showing that Hunchakian attacks to turkish villages, turkish kids killed by various armenian terrorist organizations. But as a Turk, I chose not to believe in these photos %100 because they might be arranged, same goes for every argument, you can never know where a pic is from. Observing historical archives may provide intersecting data.

2- Armenian revolts started in mid 19th century in Ottoman Empire, before the date you said. I do not have knowledge about Ottoman's blaming them. I only know that Armenian terrorist/separatist organizations sabotaged  Ottoman Army during WW1, which resulted in Ottoman Monarch's sending millions of armenians to death marches. Majority of Turkish people rejects mass armenian killings/massacres in a biased way because they have been manipulated to think so by politicians, this is society engineering. So many armenians also fails to recognize actions of armenian separatist organization against muslim/jew turks of Ottoman, and Ottoman army because they are also manipulated to think that Turks did a genocide because they are evil.

3- There was no politicians in Ottoman Empire, it was a monarchy, technically constitutional monarchy for couple years but emperor held all the powers even during this period; after 1908, Ittihad took over the power with a revolt. If you consider Hunchakian Party etc as politicians, I would disagree with that. Hunchakian was the most active armed separatist/terrorist organization in Ottoman Empire, and also the most important reactor of massacre. Hunchakian leaders got caught and executed, after they represented assassination of Ittihad leaders. 

4- There was no Armenia during the period of Ottoman Empire... I can't recall when was the last armenian country but I am positive that since the expansion of Ottoman Empire(15th century), Armenians never had a independent country. Armenia which became independent from USSR in 1991 is the first armenian country in centuries.  That mountain is called Ağrı Dağı in Turkish. But I do not understand what would the name of mountain change anyways. Ottoman invaded so many countries like all powerful empires in the history. But not "Armenia", because there was no such thing. Armenians lived in Ottoman Empire for more than 5 centuries, Agri Mountain was Ottoman Land for years... Unlike what you tried to claim, Armenian organizations such as Hunchakian was separatist powers in Ottoman Empire. Just to clarify Agri, a.k.a. Ararat mountain was turkish territory from 12th century until nowadays, Seljuq Empire-[Ottoman Empire]-Republic of Turkey.

5- Lol, just a second I can't go more than 3 generations either ... I never asked anyone to write me their family tree, it sounded like ellen's saying madonna that they are 11th cousins. Anyways, I prefer not to discuss topics like that in real life. I would not ask such question, you can never know, some turks or armenians might be sensitive about it in different ways. In today's Turkey, armenians are educated, and respected people tho. It is going to sound very bad but a huge portion of eastern armenians was massacred. In today's Turkey, more than %99 of armenian diaspora is living in Istanbul, and they are mostly couple generations Istanbulites, and have sophisticated tastes... 

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

​You sir are just like every other turk I've encountered.

The fact that you are DENYING the Armenian Genocide AND saying your country did NOT do it is absolutely disgusting. 

You're saying "oh, my country didn't do it because it was the empire before the new governate of the SAME country was around!" Ottoman was the ethnical name for Turks. They changed it after World War I because they didn't want "ottoman" to stick with them known about the Armenian genocide. So they switched to "turk". Ottomans were Turks, and Turks ARE Ottomans. They are the same ethnicity. Do you realize how ignorant you sound? Do you? 

To everyone having to read this person's posts... I apologize you are having to read it. It's sad that nearly every turk says the same thing. Do not believe them in any way. 

I actually don't care if you're going to quote me back with some irrelevant essay, but it has been known in this thread by other people of your nastiness.  

​Are you the fake account of Astraeus ? Lol...

Anyways, I know how I sound, If I claim, I support. You know why I write long, because I write substantiated arguments. You call me stupid, I show you why you are stupid. 

You are so so so ignorant, why ?

1- Ottoman is only the name of the founder of Ottoman Empire, it is not a ethnicity, you are going to be drowned in your ignorance, at least do not speak about things you do not know !!! In Turkish, it is Osman's Empire, and Osman is the first ruler. 

2- Turk is not Ottoman. Ottoman is Turk. For your information, if p is q, q is not necessarily p. For more info: Orkhon inscriptions, Gokturks... The word turk is used for centuries before Ottoman Empire. The Word Ottoman does not specify a race, Ottoman was not a nation-state... Turkey is a nation state, the word Türkiye means Turk's land. 

3- You are very ignorant. You know only one context, and try to plug every similar shift in the timeline in that context. Your approach to issue screams like I have no idea what genocide means, but I know Nazi Germany, and holocaust. But do not worry I am here to cure your ignorance. First years of Republic was Turkish Renaissance, here are major changes: Caliph is abolished.(the most powerful title in whole islamic world, existed since Mohammed, Ottoman sultans held the title Caliph since 1517), country is defined as laic in the constitution, schools are cleaned from religious practices, implemented co-ed educated, granted women's suffrage, deported whole Ottoman Dynasty, adopted latin alphabets etc. Ottoman <-> Turkey is not like UK experience, or Nazi Germany. Everything that was part of Ottoman Empire changed... 

4- How racist can you be ? What you said in the first sentence tells that you simply have no idea about turks. You would never have enough balls to speak to my face, this is the funniest part.  I don't know, there are 2 possibilities, you are either jealous of something, or turks f*cked you so hard that you still can't sit on your butt. Where are you from I wonder ???

 

[Pandemiya 61]

​Are you the fake account of Astraeus ? Lol...

Anyways, I know how I sound, If I claim, I support. You know why I write long, because I write substantiated arguments. You call me stupid, I show you why you are stupid. 

You are so so so ignorant, why ?

1- Ottoman is only the name of the founder of Ottoman Empire, it is not a ethnicity, you are going to be drowned in your ignorance, at least do not speak about things you do not know !!! In Turkish, it is Osman's Empire, and Osman is the first ruler. 

2- Turk is not Ottoman. Ottoman is Turk. For your information, if p is q, q is not necessarily p. For more info: Orkhon inscriptions, Gokturks... The word turk is used for centuries before Ottoman Empire. The Word Ottoman does not specify a race, Ottoman was not a nation-state... Turkey is a nation state, the word Türkiye means Turk's land. 

3- You are very ignorant. You know only one context, and try to plug every similar shift in the timeline in that context. Your approach to issue screams like I have no idea what genocide means, but I know Nazi Germany, and holocaust. But do not worry I am here to cure your ignorance. First years of Republic was Turkish Renaissance, here are major changes: Caliph is abolished.(the most powerful title in whole islamic world, existed since Mohammed, Ottoman sultans held the title Caliph since 1517), country is defined as laic in the constitution, schools are cleaned from religious practices, implemented co-ed educated, granted women's suffrage, deported whole Ottoman Dynasty, adopted latin alphabets etc. Ottoman <-> Turkey is not like UK experience, or Nazi Germany. Everything that was part of Ottoman Empire changed... 

4- How racist can you be ? What you said in the first sentence tells that you simply have no idea about turks. You would never have enough balls to speak to my face, this is the funniest part.  I don't know, there are 2 possibilities, you are either jealous of something, or turks f*cked you so hard that you still can't sit on your butt. Where are you from I wonder ???

 

I'm suddenly a fake account for stating my opinion? I always state my opinions on these subjects and I happen to agree with what has been said above.  

"You would never have the balls to speak to my face" implies that you would harm me if I did so. Turks ARE known for there cruelty and demonic ways. Turks were called Ottomans prior to WWI, so that just shows how stupid you are. You wanna know where I'm from? I'm from a place where we know the truth about the turks. 

You wanna call people racist for their negative thoughts racist, and you call me ignorant? How ignorant can someone be to call turk, an ethnicity, a race?  

Hmm we could go into the Hittite genocide that the turks also did to the original natives of Hatti when the turks arrived at the Asia Minor, the Kurd genocide, the Assyrian genocide that they helped in, and the Holocaust, but you'd just say I'm ignorant and post some irrelevant bull**** that has no meaning to the argument, so goodbye.

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

Lol you are so delusional... Of course, I would harm you. I don't victimize myself, because I don't lose, I don't need to victimize myself. If I want something, I will get it. 

I hate discussing online with dumbs like you tho. Being anonymous is not my thing, I would put my photo up, if the website was accepting photos bigger than size of my little finger, it would give you more idea about where I do come from... Definitely not somewhere you can imagine with your level of class and intelligence. 

Don't worry I will not give you arguments. I will give you your most fav videos in the world: