Official UK General Election Thread (2015)

[Better Day 5,766]

​Because

IDK. Definitely not UKIP or Conservative.  

​At least someone is against the parties against the working class

[bionic 50,111]

​At least someone is against the parties against the working class

​Pardon?  

[Better Day 5,766]

What I am not understanding is that no matter what parties we vote for they will only be in there for themselves. They just literally 'batter' us - the working class - time and time again too gain the vote for the rich. However, we just let the Westminster establishment punish the working class. We need to change things. Yes you may say I am radical but we need REAL change. The working class need to take charge. It annoys me when we just let them beat us. 

Bring on the socialist democratic revolution

[Better Day 5,766]

​Pardon?  

​Essentially what I meant that the tories and UKIP are against the working-class 

[bionic 50,111]

What I am not understanding is that no matter what parties we vote for they will only be in there for themselves. They just literally 'batter' us - the working class - time and time again too gain the vote for the rich. However, we just let the Westminster establishment punish the working class. We need to change things. Yes you may say I am radical but we need REAL change. The working class need to take charge. It annoys me when we just let them beat us. 

Bring on the socialist democratic revolution

​The thing is that people are all "oh we represent the people" but as soon as anybody gets into power their priorities change and they protect their own interests  

[Better Day 5,766]

​The thing is that people are all "oh we represent the people" but as soon as anybody gets into power their priorities change and they protect their own interests  

​Yes. It's always the same in most democracies. Either we need to change democracy or end capitalism

[bionic 50,111]

​Yes. It's always the same in most democracies. Either we need to change democracy or end capitalism

​Are 3+ party coalitions a good way to tackle it?

[Better Day 5,766]

​Are coalitions a good way to tackle it?

​I don't think. They may work if capitalism was outlawed worldwide. 

 

[Goosey 3,017]

​I don't think. They may work if capitalism was outlawed worldwide. 

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:rip: bahaha! What next, ban democracy?

[Better Day 5,766]

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:rip: bahaha! What next, ban democracy?

​Gurl, I am serious. Capitalism is the reason why politicians are so corrupt because essentially big business run the country

[Better Day 5,766]

​Are 3+ party coalitions a good way to tackle it?

​As long as they have socialist policies yes. As long as it benefits all the people

[HighwayGuy 1,498]

The UK electoral system needs to change badly 

Both UKIP & the Greens will get about 10% of the vote each but will both struggle to get any seats even when combined they represent 1 in 5 people 

[bionic 50,111]

The UK electoral system needs to change badly 

Both UKIP & the Greens will get about 10% of the vote each but will both struggle to get any seats even when combined they represent 1 in 5 people 

​It's probably for the best  

[Luc 4,776]

​Are 3+ party coalitions a good way to tackle it?

​Yes they are. In my country, there's basically a 'middle' field of parties including the liberals (40 seats - in the government), progressive socialdemocratic party (36 seats - in the government), socialist liberal progressive democrats (12 seats - in the befriended opposition, votes in favour 93% of the time of government proposals), christian democrats (13 seats - opposition but votes in favour 91% of the time), Greens (4 seats - votes in favour ~60% of the time), christian conservatives (3 seats - befriended opposition, almost always votes in favour), christian leftists (5 seats - befriended opposition, almost always votes in favour). Then you have the far-left socialist party (15 seats) and far-right nationalist party (15 seats) and the animal rights activism party (2 seats) which basically never vote in favour and will never get into a government. It works very well in my opinion, because almost every party somewhat agrees and there's always some sort of a compromise, making the government neither left-winged nor right-winged.

Wouldn't it be way better if everybody got what they wanted somewhat? A coallition between Labour, SNP, Plaid Camyu (is this the name?) and the Greens would be really nice. They somewhat believe in the same, and they will be able to compromise and give everybody a bit of what they want  

 

I'm a gay male that works in the green energy industry. You may think that I'd be a lefty - I was raised with the 'vote labour always' thing drummed into me.

However, the only REALISTIC leader that's spoken in this debate has been Nigel Farage.

The problem with the country right now is that the left-wingers are hoping - HOPING for a rainbows and lollipops future. That's not something that's going to happen.

Farage has been in business. He knows how to make the country filthy stinking rich, and he's right about it.

Run the country like you'd run a house - if there are too many people in your house and you're running out of basic essentials because you can't afford to pay for them all... well, close the damn door and stop letting tom **** and harry in. Let them in if they're going to pay for their own essentials and contribute to the bills.

As far as getting out of EU... there's nothing positive about being in the EU. We'll still be in NATO, we'll still be able to have international trade agreements with the EU countries... but we'll be calling the shots. You want our business? Well then you'd better give us a good deal, or we'll go elsewhere, because mummy and daddy can't tell us what to do anymore, we've moved out. 

To clarify - I think that the UK would function a hundred times better without Europe. Not least because we'll be able to produce what we want inside the country - creating jobs - and export our goods to other countries - creating an income (something we don't really have) that'll pay off our debts and recycle itself into investments.

The immigration thing is a focal point, but it makes 100% sense. As someone who's lived in both Australia and the UK, i can tell you that the Australian system works and protects the country very well. It's not about keeping people out, or stopping people living their lives - it's about having rules and regulations that are governed by the householder, not the neighbourhood watch committee.

If you're coming here and you have nothing to offer, then you're coming here to leech in some way, and I'd rather you stay in whatever dismal country you're in, thanks. We pay out NHS and our taxes to serve our country and ourselves, we don't pay in so you can nip across for some freebies.

Being out of Europe would also mean we don't bow down to the European court of human rights. Courts that kept terrorists basically free to do as they please in this country for YEARS via legal loopholes in the EU system. If we want Abu Hamza out, then bye Felicia, you're not radicalizing nobody b---h.

All this being said, I'm not right wing, either. I believe in equal rights for Minorities, Gays, women and, believe it or not... the most under-represented group in equal rights discussions - white males. I believe in rights for human beings - but I also believe in Education, a health care system, an economy that can grow and support itself without risky rulings from outside countries, I believe in nourishing the country and helping it to thrive... and none of the other parties have said anything that makes as much sense as Nigel Farage has spoken about.

That's my problem. I think he's the kind of guy I could deal with as a boss, I could put up with him and maybe have a bit of a joke... but as a leader of the country he would get us bombed. Hard.

He's straight talking too much without taking into account that most people in the world have been bubblewrapped to hate being told the truth and facts and would much rather operate on an "it's ok, everything's lovely, we just want to be calm and placid and let people get on with what they're doing because we'll mind our own business until the world falls apart" mentality.

I WAS going to vote Green, but the party, along with the non-UKIP parties, all came across as very very naive, manipulative and clueless in the debates. All a bit too obsessed with being nicey nice and telling Farage what a scum bag he is for daring to speak any kind of logical truth.

​Farage lies a lot. For example the 2% 'of total [government] spending' he talked about, which is actually 2% of the total ECONOMY. That's a big difference. He also doesn't know what the consequences of leaving the EU and Schengen would be. It's generally assumed, by both big businesses and people with a socialist mindset, that leaving the EU would have great, great consequences. 

Denying people healthcare based on ethnicity is immoral. Won't get further into that.

But let's talk more about the defense spending. Socialists/Greens believe that more prosperity and democracy brings more overall stability. UKIP doesn't want to fix the core problem - dissatisfaction in poor countries or countries with huge inequality, but wants to fight the effect of this dissatisfaction. That's not contributing, and actually makes the situation worse in these countries. Look at what happened to Iraq and Afghanistan. War isn't going to fix issues, not in the long term, not in the short term.

Diplomacy is what will help a country. And first of all, UKIP wants to leave the EU. A diplomatic disaster basically. UKIP wants to block citizens of other countries from access to UK public services and social welfare, which is also extremely bad for diplomatics. They want to cut development spending by a lot, which is also bad for diplomatics and will cause political instability in regions, which will also cause more defense spending, negating the effect of cutting the development spending.

Leaving the EU is bad for export and thus bad for the economy. That the population has to sink is not right either. A sinking population is extremely bad for the economy, as a country will get into a negative spiral of more pension spendings, lower house prices, more unemployment, etc. Building houses creates jobs for many.

And in the end, the party doesn't actually fit your ideology, so I wouldn't recommend voting for them in the first place  

 

 

The UK electoral system needs to change badly 

Both UKIP & the Greens will get about 10% of the vote each but will both struggle to get any seats even when combined they represent 1 in 5 people 

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As long as Labour and the Conservatives form a majority that's not going to happen anytime soon, eventhough it's unfair and undemocratic  

[Goosey 3,017]

​Gurl, I am serious. Capitalism is the reason why politicians are so corrupt because essentially big business run the country

And the alternative, comrade? No thanks.