Bakery Gets Death Threats After Refusal To Make Anti-Gay Cake

[HANZ 4,380]

​Gurl the only thing messy was this response.

​you are compaing gay death threats to muslim terrorists

these dead threats made by gays are just a joke meanwhile muslims terrorists have done horrible things in the past

your first post in this thread was non-sense

[SleepingSun 1,352]

​You really think that they're becoming a minority? Because it sure seems like they're still quite a strong force in the world. If you ask me, it seems to be a polarized stance. While activists for equality seem to be rising, conservatives against homos-xuality seem to be equally rising as well, and a good portion of the rest of the world is against homos-xuality as well.

​I do think they are slowly becoming a minority. It may not be visible as of now, but future generations will demand equality even more. It may take decades until homophobes are a minority, but it will happen.

[Supersonic 49,376]

​you are compaing gay death threats to muslim terrorists

these dead threats made by gays are just a joke meanwhile muslims terrorists have done horrible things in the past

your first post in this thread was non-sense

​death threats are jokes? I'm not sure if you got it, but the gay people did not make the death threats. It's the religious people who are offended that you can't be openly homophobic anymore made them. Christian terrorists are as common as muslim terrorists, they just don't get called terrorists. They get called "fundamentalists/extremely conservative".

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​I do think they are slowly becoming a minority. It may not be visible as of now, but future generations will demand equality even more. It may take decades until homophobes are a minority, but it will happen.

​Whether or not they actually do become a minority in the future is debatable and can't be guaranteed, but we can only hope that they will. As for the present, these debates are very relevant, and should be taken seriously. Otherwise, we may find ourselves with more discriminatory laws being passed, such as the ones that are circulating legislation today.

[HANZ 4,380]

​death threats are jokes? I'm not sure if you got it, but the gay people did not make the death threats. It's the religious people who are offended that you can't be openly homophobic anymore made them. Christian terrorists are as common as muslim terrorists, they just don't get called terrorists. They get called "fundamentalists/extremely conservative".

​LMFAO it's very late in the night and I missunderstood the title of this thread

I read it as "Bakery Gets Death Threats After Refusal To Make Gay Cake"

 

sorry everybody makes mistakes

yes **** these christian homophobic freaks

 

[Anomaly 161]

​death threats are jokes? I'm not sure if you got it, but the gay people did not make the death threats. It's the religious people who are offended that you can't be openly homophobic anymore made them. Christian terrorists are as common as muslim terrorists, they just don't get called terrorists. They get called "fundamentalists/extremely conservative".

​Which is ironic, considering that the bakery owner did exactly what all of these openly homophobic conservatives were just so supportive of, which was to deny service to someone whose beliefs they did not believe in.

That makes this topic even more interesting, because it opens up a debate to all people. If we say that the bakery owner was right for refusing service to someone for being homophobic, then we must also agree that it would be right for a homophobic business owner to deny service to someone who supports homos-xuality. At the same time, if we say that businesses should simply support their customers as they are intended to, then we would also have to agree that the bakery should have just made the cake, even though it did not reflect their beliefs.

[SleepingSun 1,352]

​Whether or not they actually do become a minority in the future is debatable and can't be guaranteed, but we can only hope that they will. As for the present, these debates are very relevant, and should be taken seriously. Otherwise, we may find ourselves with more discriminatory laws being passed, such as the ones that are circulating legislation today.

​Of course we have to take the debates serious, you are absolutely right. Only then can we actually fight against homophobia. I was just making a light hearted comment because I am personally tired of the debate, which doesn't mean I don't take it serious  

[Supersonic 49,376]

​Which is ironic, considering that the bakery owner did exactly what all of these openly homophobic conservatives were just so supportive of, which was to deny service to someone whose beliefs they did not believe in.

That makes this topic even more interesting, because it opens up a debate to all people. If we say that the bakery owner was right for refusing service to someone for being homophobic, then we must also agree that it would be right for a homophobic business owner to deny service to someone who supports homos-xuality. At the same time, if we say that businesses should simply support their customers as they are intended to, then we would also have to agree that the bakery should have just made the cake, even though it did not reflect their beliefs.

​Let's take this to another level. Let's not make it a pastor asking for an anti-gay marriage cake, let's make it a white middle-aged dude wanting a cake saying "N*****s are pathetic animals". Discuss.

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​Of course we have to take the debates serious, you are absolutely right. Only then can we actually fight against homophobia. I was just making a light hearted comment because I am personally tired of the debate, which doesn't mean I don't take it serious  

​No no, I agree with you as well. I just don't think that we're anywhere remotely close to considering homophobes a minority yet, and are only just starting to break through for marriage equality.

​Let's take this to another level. Let's not make it a pastor asking for an anti-gay marriage cake, let's make it a white middle-aged dude wanting a cake saying "N*****s are pathetic animals". Discuss.

​Same exact argument. The parameters don't change just because you changed the words.

[Supersonic 49,376]

​No no, I agree with you as well. I just don't think that we're anywhere remotely close to considering homophobes a minority yet, and are only just starting to break through for marriage equality.

​Same exact argument. The parameters don't change just because you changed the words.

​I know, but I thought my point would be made clearer: It should imply that no bakery ever should be allowed to make a cake or be requested to make a cake that condemns a whole subset of people. I'm surprised that the USA doesn't have a law like that. Not just about bakeries but businesses in general.

[Anomaly 161]

​I know, but I thought my point would be made clearer: It should imply that no bakery ever should be allowed to make a cake or be requested to make a cake that condemns a whole subset of people. I'm surprised that the USA doesn't have a law like that. Not just about bakeries but businesses in general.

Such a law would be ludicrous because of the double-sided restrictions that would come with it. People just shouldn't be hateful at all, but the fact of the matter is that people will always have prejudices until the end of humanity, and nothing will change that. Once you get into an area as tricky as restricting what a man can and can not have on his cake (consider that an a--logy, as it obviously applies to much more than cake) then you begin to impose restrictions on the beliefs of individuals as well as the creative and artistic integrities of others. Consider, for example, that the person requesting such a cake was not a pastor, but a creative director or some sort of artist who needed the cake for a crucial part of their next film or art piece. Consider that the cake was an artistic element that would be used to promote marriage equality, and intended no harm whatsoever. If you have a law restricting anything like that from ever being made, then that cake would automatically become illegal.

There are many gray areas in a debate like this, and it isn't just so clear cut or black and white. I think that the man is entitled to his beliefs, as long as he is not hurting anyone else in any way. If he wants an anti-gay cake, then fine, that's his issue, so long as he isn't using the cake to harass anyone else. If that were the case, then that would be considered a hate crime, and there are laws protecting against behavior like that. There should be (and to a degree, there are) certain regulations as to what can be done with a cake like that, but I don't think it's so easy as to just restrict something like that from existing. If that were the case, then every single article of clothing that somehow manages to promote anti-Christianity (consider all of the clothes promoting atheism, stating that there is no god, appropriating religious figures, and bearing symbols intended to criticize the religion) would need to be immediately recalled as well. It may not seem like an issue from the way you're viewing it, but it's a can of worms, as most political discussions are.

The bigger issue in this situation is whether or not the business should be allowed to deny service for something they are against.

[Supersonic 49,376]

Such a law would be ludicrous because of the double-sided restrictions that would come with it. People just shouldn't be hateful at all, but the fact of the matter is that people will always have prejudices until the end of humanity, and nothing will change that. Once you get into an area as tricky as restricting what a man can and can not have on his cake (consider that an a--logy, as it obviously applies to much more than cake) then you begin to impose restrictions on the beliefs of individuals as well as the creative and artistic integrities of others. Consider, for example, that the person requesting such a cake was not a pastor, but a creative director or some sort of artist who needed the cake for a crucial part of their next film or art piece. Consider that the cake was an artistic element that would be used to promote marriage equality, and intended no harm whatsoever. If you have a law restricting anything like that from ever being made, then that cake would automatically become illegal.

There are many gray areas in a debate like this, and it isn't just so clear cut or black and white. I think that the man is entitled to his beliefs, as long as he is not hurting anyone else in any way. If he wants an anti-gay cake, then fine, that's his issue, so long as he isn't using the cake to harass anyone else. If that were the case, then that would be considered a hate crime, and there are laws protecting against behavior like that. There should be (and to a degree, there are) certain regulations as to what can be done with a cake like that, but I don't think it's so easy as to just restrict something like that from existing. If that were the case, then every single article of clothing that somehow manages to promote anti-Christianity (consider all of the clothes promoting atheism, stating that there is no god, appropriating religious figures, and bearing symbols intended to criticize the religion) would need to be immediately recalled as well. It may not seem like an issue from the way you're viewing it, but it's a can of worms, as most political discussions are.

The bigger issue in this situation is whether or not the business should be allowed to deny service for something they are against.

​Well we in Germany have an anti-discriminatory law, that you are not allowed to tolerate specifically any discrimnations because of race, s-xual orientation, gender and religion. It worked well, nobody complained, people got friendlier.

[Anomaly 161]

​Well we in Germany have an anti-discriminatory law, that you are not allowed to tolerate specifically any discrimnations because of race, s-xual orientation, gender and religion. It worked well, nobody complained, people got friendlier.

​I agree with the premise of an anti-discriminatory law, and there are similar laws in America. However, what is included in those laws vary, especially between states, and I think the level of restriction can/should only go so far.

But ya know, these days, it seems like America just makes laws for the hell of it and just does what it wants anyways. This country is such a mess right now.