Morphine Prince 109,768 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Investigators trying to determine what caused the crash of Germanwings Flight 9525 have made a startling discovery in an audio recording, according to a New York Times report: One of the plane's pilots was locked out of the cockpit before the crash."You can hear he is trying to smash the door down," a senior military official involved in the investigation told the newspaper, describing audio from the cockpit voice recorder, one of the plane's black boxes."We don't know yet the reason why one of the guys went out," the official said, according to the Times' report. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, said it was looking into the report."We have no information from the bodies investigating the incident that would corroborate the report in the New York Times," spokesman Boris Ogursky said. "We will not participate in speculation, but we will follow up on the matter."The Times' report is a "terribly shocking revelation," CNN aviation a--lyst Peter Goelz said. But he and other experts cautioned that it's still unclear what could have been going on inside the cockpit.Possibilities range from a medical emergency to something more nefarious, like a suicide mission, CNN aviation a--lysts said.Officials previously said that hadn't ruled out terrorism, but it seems unlikely.Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/europe/germanwings-crash-main/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erotica 34,930 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's suspicious that the other one didn't open the door from the inside.. Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGaga 7,644 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's one thing to commit suicide alone and it's another to take down a whole plane with children on board. You have to be pretty soulless to do something like that. I'm thinking medical emergency but it could be anything really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontDoubtDavid 1,196 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It could have either been a suicide, or the other pilot may have passed out and was unable to open the door. I really hope it was the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MahoganySnitch 67 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I know absolutely nothing about professional plane handling, so this is probably a stupid question but wouldn't this inside pilot be forced to get out of his seat (and thus the handles) to open the door? But I imagine there's an electric system at play, from which you can lock and unlock the door from the dash. But even then, if trouble was already occurring the inside pilot may not have had the time and patience to open it? But then if I were the inside pilot and started seeing issues, I'd want my co-pilot? IDK, this is a strange piece of the puzzle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGaga 7,644 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I know absolutely nothing about professional plane handling, so this is probably a stupid question but wouldn't this inside pilot be forced to get out of his seat (and thus the handles) to open the door? But I imagine there's an electric system at play, from which you can lock and unlock the door from the dash. But even then, if trouble was already occurring the inside pilot may not have had the time and patience to open it? But then if I were the inside pilot and started seeing issues, I'd want my co-pilot? IDK, this is a strange piece of the puzzle. This could be true as well. Although at this point of the flight, the plane would be on auto pilot which means the co pilot wouldn't have to do anything apart from sit there really. If the plane was already going doing and he was suicidal, he wouldn't want to open the door anyway and if it was a medical emergency, he wouldnt be able to open the door. If the co pilot was conscious, why was the plane diving anyway? A plane doesn't plummet out of the blue without intent especially if it's on auto pilot. The black box has been recovered so the truth will come out in the next few days about conversation that went on and noises made in the cockpit. I hope for humanity it was a medical issue and not suicide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Suicide, would be most logic like this scenario:-Reaching cruise speed/ altitude.- Flip on Autopilot- Pilot 1 goes out to take a piss, door closes- Pilot 2 switches off autopilot, sends plane into a dive- Pilot 1 is now locked out- Crash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erotica 34,930 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Suicide, would be most logic like this scenario: -Reaching cruise speed/ altitude.- Flip on Autopilot- Pilot 1 goes out to take a piss, door closes- Pilot 2 switches off autopilot, sends plane into a dive- Pilot 1 is now locked out- Crash but would he really have been THAT idiotic to take 150 people with him? Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGaga 7,644 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Suicide, would be most logic like this scenario: -Reaching cruise speed/ altitude.- Flip on Autopilot- Pilot 1 goes out to take a piss, door closes- Pilot 2 switches off autopilot, sends plane into a dive- Pilot 1 is now locked out- Crash I fear you might be right. Each time I go away and think about it, it makes more sense. The captain must have gone to the bathroom, there is no other reason for him to leave the cockpit unless a passenger was having a huge problem, and for the co-pilot to have a heart attack or whatever in the time it took for him to come back is very slim. This thought runs through my mind and I feel like suicide is more feasible. Just like what happened with Malaysian 370 (not confirmed but many people in the industry point towards that conclusion). but would he really have been THAT idiotic to take 150 people with him? and this. Hopefully the black box comes back with something soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I fear you might be right. Each time I go away and think about it, it makes more sense. The captain must have gone to the bathroom, there is no other reason for him to leave the cockpit unless a passenger was having a huge problem, and for the co-pilot to have a heart attack or whatever in the time it took for him to come back is very slim. This thought runs through my mind and I feel like suicide is more feasible. Just like what happened with Malaysian 370 (not confirmed but many people in the industry point towards that conclusion). and this. Hopefully the black box comes back with something soon. If the black box is found, well the contents of it at least cause it was empty they will be able to see if there was any engagement with the autopilot for example.There has been another flight years ago in Asia where the pilot had a gambling problem and owed someone 50.000 dollars upon arrival so he made sure he never arrived and the 2nd pilot was also locked out.It just makes to most sense cause they maintained cruising altitude for just 1 minute before descending. Usually when you reach that height pilot switches on autopilot and the pilots can take a pee break for example.So almost immediately after pilot 2 leaves for let’s say bathroom break they started to descend. Now if you would get a heart attack for some odd reason RIGHT at that moment you would not be silent. You gasp for air and struggle to basically stay alive and are in utter pain so heart attack for me is ruled out, it just way too coincidental that right at the moment pilot 2 leaves the planes is starting to go down and he just sits there in silence. There is ofc that option that he could have gone unconscious pressing the “steering wheel” down, but then he’d have to pass out leaning forward, which makes little sense.Besides, also note that this was on their way home for the pilots. If there was a big technical issue problem it would have most likely been noticed on their way towards Spain.For some odd reason it looks like one of the pilots did not want to reach home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagy 419 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I know absolutely nothing about professional plane handling, so this is probably a stupid question but wouldn't this inside pilot be forced to get out of his seat (and thus the handles) to open the door? But I imagine there's an electric system at play, from which you can lock and unlock the door from the dash. But even then, if trouble was already occurring the inside pilot may not have had the time and patience to open it? But then if I were the inside pilot and started seeing issues, I'd want my co-pilot? IDK, this is a strange piece of the puzzle. It has been officially confirmed that this video shows the correct way. (Watch 0:50). If a person switches it to 'lock' you cannot open the door. Even if you want to force it to open with your code on this pad. (watch 0:25). So it is not necessary to stand up. However, as mentioned above, it could be suicide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's not only suicide but also mass-murder then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,768 Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Suicide, would be most logic like this scenario: -Reaching cruise speed/ altitude.- Flip on Autopilot- Pilot 1 goes out to take a piss, door closes- Pilot 2 switches off autopilot, sends plane into a dive- Pilot 1 is now locked out- Crash I fear this is what happened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1495 991 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 UPDATE: CNN is now reporting that the crash was deliberate. There was a "deliberate attempt to destroy the aircraft,". http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 appears to have deliberately crashed the plane after he was left alone in the cockpit, according to a French prosecutor.The captain was intentionally locked outside minutes before the A320 crashed into an alpine mountain ridge, French Prosecutor Brice Robin said Thursday. Co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, a 28-year-old German national, was silent throughout the plane’s descent and was alive at the point of impact, according to the prosecutor.Mr. Robin’s conclusions are drawn from the plane’s cockpit voice recorder, recovered at the crash site in the French Alps late Tuesday and a--lyzed by French accident investigators on Wednesday.The recording contains screams believed to be from passengers, once they recognized the plane was crashing.Investigators are now exploring why Flight 9525 went into its unauthorized descent from its 38,000-foot cruising altitude with one crew member absent. The descent led to the crash about 10 minutes later.Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanwings-pilot-locked-out-of-cockpit-before-plane-crash-1427359266 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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