Morphine Prince 109,667 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 So the aunt was a JW as well?Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 13,417 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Please respect other people's opinions and play nice, guys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1986 629 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 but to be an atheist you had to have believed in god or whatever you worshipped.. you can't just belt out your an atheist. and how is he going to say he's an atheist and believes in hell? again... an atheist believes in NOTHING. BUY BEAUTY BEHIND THE MADNESS ON ITUNES. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Sorry for having an attitude. I thought you were starting beef I've known a theory is an explanation, forgotten that it was an explanation of a law, though, but, in my perspective, we don't always have to base everything on science and what people tell us is viable. That is why I have my own theories on certain subjects and I will not be told, by religion or by science, how I am supposed to believe. I guess you could say I have a theory on theory Again, I apologize Because of the argumentative tone of the thread it was easy to misunderstand my intentions. No need to apologies, I understand. Glad we cleared it up though, because I was working on the scientific theory that you are a cünt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,282 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 ummm... a little known theory called the big bang? Do they not teach you that in science class where you're from?The Big Bang theory does not provide any explanation for the initial conditions of the universe; rather, it describes and explains the general evolution of the universe going forward from that point on.[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_BangActually a very common misconception about the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang also wasn't an explosion, just an expansion of space. Science has only a few guesses on why the universe exists, and the Big Bang theory isn't one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Yes. Oh ok, well your Grandma's actions are based on the Bible's clear command on disfellowshipping. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 says, "In my letter I wrote you to stop keeping company with s-xually immoral people, not meaning entirely with the s-xually immoral people of this world or the greedy people or extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is s-xually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” The Bible is clear that removal from the congregation is necessary at times. If the person is a close friend or family member, "eating with such a man" or having close association with the person would be going against God's command. Disfellowshipping only happens when the person isn't sorry for the serious sins they've committed. The elders of the congregation do all they can to spiritually help the individual, but if the person refuses that help and is unrepentant, the elders have no choice, but to obey the command found in that scripture and remove the person from the congregation. This being for the benefit of the congregation to remain spiritually clean and also for the person to hopefully change their wrong course of conduct and return. In the case of your Grandma and Aunt, the religious ties change, but they're still family. Your Grandma isn't avoiding your Aunt, because she wants to, but because she wants to obey Jehovah. Your Aunt is more than welcome to still attend the Kingdom Hall and seek help, but she can't associate with the congregation like she used to until she is reinstated in the congregation. It isn't easy having a family member disfellowshipped and then not being able to associate normally with them. Your Grandma hopes that in time, your Aunt will make a change and come back to Jehovah, but only your Aunt can do that. Hopefully wanting to regain that association with your Grandma will motivate your Aunt to do this. Does this answer your question? Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop 4,541 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 YASSSS slay the religious estupidas! The Taylor Brigade: KNOCKOUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,667 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Oh ok, well your Grandma's actions are based on the Bible's clear command on disfellowshipping. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 says, "In my letter I wrote you to stop keeping company with s-xually immoral people, not meaning entirely with the s-xually immoral people of this world or the greedy people or extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is s-xually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” The Bible is clear that removal from the congregation is necessary at times. If the person is a close friend or family member, "eating with such a man" or having close association with the person would be going against God's command. Disfellowshipping only happens when the person isn't sorry for the serious sins they've committed. The elders of the congregation do all they can to spiritually help the individual, but if the person refuses that help and is unrepentant, the elders have no choice, but to obey the command found in that scripture and remove the person from the congregation. This being for the benefit of the congregation to remain spiritually clean and also for the person to hopefully change their wrong course of conduct and return. In the case of your Grandma and Aunt, the religious ties change, but they're still family. Your Grandma isn't avoiding your Aunt, because she wants to, but because she wants to obey Jehovah. Your Aunt is more than welcome to still attend the Kingdom Hall and seek help, but she can't associate with the congregation like she used to until she is reinstated in the congregation. It isn't easy having a family member disfellowshipped and then not being able to associate normally with them. Your Grandma hopes that in time, your Aunt will make a change and come back to Jehovah, but only your Aunt can do that. Hopefully wanting to regain that association with your Grandma will motivate your Aunt to do this. Does this answer your question?Well, my grandma still talks to her it's just the other people from her congregation that don't. And she didn't commit and s-xual immoral sin, she just changed religion but she did not expect for her own friends and community to basically ignore her and not want to have contact with her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister 9,907 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 how nice The future's uncertain and the end is always near. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Well, my grandma still talks to her it's just the other people from her congregation that don't. And she didn't commit and s-xual immoral sin, she just changed religion but she did not expect for her own friends and community to basically ignore her and not want to have contact with her. Yes, when I mean no association, I mean "hanging out" socially. Of course normal family affection and matters will come up, but on a SPIRITUAL level, she can't discuss spiritual things with her.Your Aunt was a baptized servant of Jehovah and quite honestly she knew the consequences of her being disfellowshipped. I don't know why she was surprised what took place. By her changing religions, she chose to no longer be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. In the congregation, an elder will announce to the congregation "So and so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". This lets the congregation know to stop association with her...not for the purpose of humiliating or embarrassing. The congregation isn't told WHY the person is no longer practicing, they are simply made aware of the person's spiritual status. Even if she simply changed her religious beliefs and didn't commit s-xual immorality, it still means disfellowshipping based on another scripture.1 Corinthians 6:14,15,17 says, "Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be′lial? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever?..."'Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah"Jehovah doesn't accept his people associating with people who don't worship Him. Therefore, removal of the unbeliever would be necessary to keep the congregation spiritually protected and clean. Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,410 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 If he's an atheist how does he believe in hell?He doesn't. That's the point.Believers often tell us we're going to Hell, like that's supposed to frighten us into believing, or something. But no -- for the idea of "Hell" to be scary, you'd already have to believe that it was (or at least might be) real. That's kind of basic and obvious, but some people seem not to get it, because they keep telling us this nonsense. And when we explain this, they'll say "But what if you're wrong? Don't you have just a little bit of doubt? And wouldn't you be safer believing? Pascal's wager, blah blah blah." No, sorry -- on this, I don't have any doubt. Hell is very obviously a myth invented by humans, and not very clever ones at that. There's nothing even slightly plausible about it. It doesn't even hold up in terms of its internal logic, never mind once you start looking at how it developed historically, etc. So, yeah -- not afraid of Hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,667 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yes, when I mean no association, I mean "hanging out" socially. Of course normal family affection and matters will come up, but on a SPIRITUAL level, she can't discuss spiritual things with her.Your Aunt was a baptized servant of Jehovah and quite honestly she knew the consequences of her being disfellowshipped. I don't know why she was surprised what took place. By her changing religions, she chose to no longer be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. In the congregation, an elder will announce to the congregation "So and so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". This lets the congregation know to stop association with her...not for the purpose of humiliating or embarrassing. The congregation isn't told WHY the person is no longer practicing, they are simply made aware of the person's spiritual status. Even if she simply changed her religious beliefs and didn't commit s-xual immorality, it still means disfellowshipping based on another scripture.1 Corinthians 6:14,15,17 says, "Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be′lial? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever?..."'Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah"Jehovah doesn't accept his people associating with people who don't worship Him. Therefore, removal of the unbeliever would be necessary to keep the congregation spiritually protected and clean.But does this mean JW technically can't fraternize with people of other beliefs? Because I have JW neighbors and they have relationships with non-JW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 But does this mean JW technically can't fraternize with people of other beliefs? Because I have JW neighbors and they have relationships with non-JW. We follow the command at Luke 6:31 that says, "Just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them." We're friendly with people and neighborly, but we don't have CLOSE association with nonbelievers. We give common respect to everyone regardless of their beliefs just as we want to be treated with respect and kindness. I hope you don't think we're extreme or unloving because we obey Jehovah through the Bible's commands. However, we are commanded based on the last scripture I shared, to not associate with people who don't serve Jehovah. It's not some "rule" made up by a man, but it's a command based on the Bible from Jehovah. There's a reason why, because the morals and values of this world have nothing in common with what God's people have. Therefore, we don't feel or want to be friends with people who don't live their lives the way we do. That may sound harsh to most, but we have plenty of happy and joyful association with fellow worshipers of Jehovah worldwide who uphold the same Biblical principles and standards as we do. Plus, I want you to know that Jehovah's Witnesses base our beliefs and practices on the Bible. There's not ONE thing we do that isn't traced to either a pattern set by the first century Christians or a Bible principle. We uphold the Bible as the final authority above human opinions. Even disfellowshipping is based on the Bible and I wanted you to know that. If you have any other questions in the future, I'll be more than willing to answer them from the Bible. Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isak 173 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 ok so how do you explain the existence of the whole universe ?you explain it with math...the language of the Universe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isak 173 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 ummm... just gonna state that a theory is a theory and a theory is not fact. There are plenty of theories which are just as valid as the next because there is no way we can prove anything. Just saying a scientific theory is far from just a random "theory" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Featured Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.