Mediatraffic posts updated Lady Gaga album sales

[Whispering 18,865]

​You forgot Gaga's remix albums + The Monster Ball DVD that also counts in the 27M

Nope, I included the one million remix albums. 

Did you personally call The Oscar producers and ask them if they included a DVD in their total?

Anyway you look at it, numbers from unofficial sources are going to vary. what we have are official numbers from the actual music industry professionals and labels and  they are the ones who provide the accurate numbers. 

[ViviLittleM 3]

Nope, I included the one million remix albums. 

Did you personally call The Oscar producers and ask them if they included a DVD in their total?

Anyway you look at it, numbers from unofficial sources are going to vary. what we have are official numbers from the actual music industry professionals and labels and  they are the ones who provide the accurate numbers. 

​Even with proofs, for the 27m announced by billboard and others and included Mediatraffic, you don't trust us? ok.

I believe I can't do nothing more, so I stop.

[Whispering 18,865]

​Even with proofs, for the 27m announced by billboard and others and included Mediatraffic, you don't trust us? ok.

I believe I can't do nothing more, so I stop.

​27 million. Did they count remixes? Did they count the DVD? How much of C2C was counted in some of these reported sources?

Like I stated above:

Anyway you look at it, numbers from unofficial sources are going to vary. What we have are official numbers from the actual music industry professionals and labels and they are the ones who provide the accurate numbers.

[Rainbow Unicorn 82]

​27 million. Did they count remixes? Did they count the DVD? How much of C2C was counted in some of these reported sources?

Like I stated above:

Anyway you look at it, numbers from unofficial sources are going to vary. What we have are official numbers from the actual music industry professionals and labels and they are the ones who provide the accurate numbers.

​Easy: when an official source is reporting record sales there using the words albums and singles only. Remixes albums are albums. DVDs are counted in that too, because they can't be put in the single category. Now, stop with your bad faith on every topic. Who cares if you don't believe in estimations when we actually gave you a list of ARTPOP certified sales + knows sales that confirm it didn't reach 2.5M or 2.8M copies worlwide... This is just reflection, maths and logic. 

[Whispering 18,865]

​Easy: when an official source is reporting record sales there using the words albums and singles only. Remixes albums are albums. DVDs are counted in that too, because they can't be put in the single category. Now, stop with your bad faith on every topic. Who cares if you don't believe in estimations when we actually gave you a list of ARTPOP certified sales + knows sales that confirm it didn't reach 2.5M or 2.8M copies worlwide... This is just reflection, maths and logic.

​Math, not maths.

"Maths and logic", which is personal estimations from a bunch of kids who still have to go to concerts with their mommy and daddy...

I'll trust the adult industry professionals, who have access to the actual numbers from the music industry!

Or...as Mills stated in an earlier comment today:

The updated sales estimations from MediaTraffic have now grown closer to her officially recognized worldwide album sales of 27 million (as of February 2015 via press releases). Again, the keyword here is estimation since MediaTraffic doesn't have a direct and full access to all music retailers and official recording associations across the globe.

It's a misleading notion that what they report are actual, over-the-counter sales. They're not like Nielsen Music in any way for their info to be regarded as "100% genuine", and there's currently no Nielsen Music equivalent that tracks over-the-counter sales in a global scale anyway. The only legitimate source of worldwide record sales and representation of the global music industry is the IFPI, and their info are supplied by the labels themselves which directly distribute music to the ones which actually sell music - meaning the ones with first-hand information and not from some independent website whose popularity is limited to music forums online.

[Rainbow Unicorn 82]

​Math, not maths.

"Maths and logic", which is personal estimations from a bunch of kids who still have to go to concerts with their mommies and daddys...

I'll trust the adult industry professionals, who have access to the actual numbers from the music industry!

Or...as Mills stated in an earlier comment today:

The updated sales estimations from MediaTraffic have now grown closer to her officially recognized worldwide album sales of 27 million (as of February 2015 via press releases). Again, the keyword here is estimation since MediaTraffic doesn't have a direct and full access to all music retailers and official recording associations across the globe.

It's a misleading notion that what they report are actual, over-the-counter sales. They're not like Nielsen Music in any way for their info to be regarded as "100% genuine", and there's currently no Nielsen Music equivalent that tracks over-the-counter sales in a global scale anyway. The only legitimate source of worldwide record sales and representation of the global music industry is the IFPI, and their info are supplied by the labels themselves which directly distribute music to the ones which actually sell music - meaning the ones with first-hand information and not from some independent website whose popularity is limited to music forums online.

Omg... Why are you still talking about Mediatraffic ? I clearly said that It doesn't matter if you don't believe in them because even the OFFICIAL ARTPOP CERTIFIED + KNOWN SALES, that put the album at 1.7M in the biggest markets, show that it's impossible for the album to reach 2.8M WW. Is that really hard to understand ? 

Forget about Mediatraffic now and see ARTPOP sales and certifications:  

Country (Certification: sales/or sales based on certifications)

Argentina (Gold: 20,000) + Germany (+50,000: 30k first week + 7k second week) + Australia (estimated 30,000: 16k first week) + Austria (Gold: 7,500) + Brazil (Platinium: 65,000) + Canada (Platinium*: 90,000) + Colombia (Gold: 5,000) + South Korea (estimated 5,000: 3,856 in 2013) + Denmark (1,133 first week) + Spain (Gold*: 12,000) + Finland (Gold: 10,000) + France (Platinium*: 65,000) + Hungary (Gold: 1,000) + Italy (Gold: 35,000) + Japan (Platinium*: 200,000) + Mexico (Platinium: 60,000) + Poland (Gold: 10,000) + Sweden (Gold: 20,000) + Switzerland (Gold: 15,000) + United Kingdom (Gold: 210,000) + United States (744,000) = 1,656,000 in total.

*Certification based on shipments.

Are you aware that it would mean that 844,000 copies have been sold outside of this countries ? This is clearly impossible again. Where do they come from ?

Bulgaria ? Croatia ? Greece ? Latvia ? Thailand ? etc ? Clearly not. Based on certifications, and excluding all the countries I stated above, and the updated sales (because some ARTPOP sales haven't been updated for a while), ARTPOP hasn't been certified gold in other 34 countries in the world. All these gold certifications together represent around 230,000-250,000 units*. It means that ARTPOP sold less than this number in all of those countries. Conclusion: 2,5 million copies sold is just unreachable.

*Source: http://tinyurl.com/mmdbxg2

 

[Gypsy Life 118,907]

My eyes are hurting from the inflated numbers in the first page. 

[ViviLittleM 3]

King of charts has spoken.

[Yanko 9,860]

some of you are giving me beyhive teas "beyonce sold 5 million!22121!!!@@@" **** 

 

 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Omg... Why are you still talking about Mediatraffic ? I clearly said that It doesn't matter if you don't believe in them because even the OFFICIAL ARTPOP CERTIFIED + KNOWN SALES, that put the album at 1.7M in the biggest markets, show that it's impossible for the album to reach 2.8M WW. Is that really hard to understand ? 

Forget about Mediatraffic now and see ARTPOP sales and certifications:  

Country (Certification: sales/or sales based on certifications)

Argentina (Gold: 20,000) + Germany (+50,000: 30k first week + 7k second week) + Australia (estimated 30,000: 16k first week) + Austria (Gold: 7,500) + Brazil (Platinium: 65,000) + Canada (Platinium*: 90,000) + Colombia (Gold: 5,000) + South Korea (estimated 5,000: 3,856 in 2013) + Denmark (1,133 first week) + Spain (Gold*: 12,000) + Finland (Gold: 10,000) + France (Platinium*: 65,000) + Hungary (Gold: 1,000) + Italy (Gold: 35,000) + Japan (Platinium*: 200,000) + Mexico (Platinium: 60,000) + Poland (Gold: 10,000) + Sweden (Gold: 20,000) + Switzerland (Gold: 15,000) + United Kingdom (Gold: 210,000) + United States (744,000) = 1,656,000 in total.

*Certification based on shipments.

Are you aware that it would mean that 844,000 copies have been sold outside of this countries ? This is clearly impossible again. Where do they come from ?

Bulgaria ? Croatia ? Greece ? Latvia ? Thailand ? etc ? Clearly not. Based on certifications, and excluding all the countries I stated above, and the updated sales (because some ARTPOP sales haven't been updated for a while), ARTPOP hasn't been certified gold in other 34 countries in the world. All these gold certifications together represent around 230,000-250,000 units*. It means that ARTPOP sold less than this number in all of those countries. Conclusion: 2,5 million copies sold is just unreachable.

*Source: http://tinyurl.com/mmdbxg2

 

I went on SNEP this morning and though I know you are going by purchased albums in France and not by certifications I found something weird maybe you can explain it to me. 

It certifies ARTPOP at Platinum for 100k on 12.17.2013 one month after it was released.

It also certifies ARTPOP at Gold (Or) on 12.31.2014 one year and one month after it was released.

Does that mean an additional certification on top of the platinum one or within the platinum one?

Does is mean because of the dates that its certified for 150k or just 100k?

 

[Pharamon 6,839]

Wikipedia says:

tf + tfm 15m

btw 6m

ARTPOP 2.5m

c2c 550k but its not updated so around 980k now

[chris777 112]

Born This Way sold more than 8 millions copies, The Fame more than 15 millions, TFM 7,9 millions and ARTPOP more than 2,8M… 

Twitter monsters teas. 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Omg... Why are you still talking about Mediatraffic ? I clearly said that It doesn't matter if you don't believe in them because even the OFFICIAL ARTPOP CERTIFIED + KNOWN SALES, that put the album at 1.7M in the biggest markets, show that it's impossible for the album to reach 2.8M WW. Is that really hard to understand ? 

Forget about Mediatraffic now and see ARTPOP sales and certifications:  

Country (Certification: sales/or sales based on certifications)

Argentina (Gold: 20,000) + Germany (+50,000: 30k first week + 7k second week) + Australia (estimated 30,000: 16k first week) + Austria (Gold: 7,500) + Brazil (Platinium: 65,000) + Canada (Platinium*: 90,000) + Colombia (Gold: 5,000) + South Korea (estimated 5,000: 3,856 in 2013) + Denmark (1,133 first week) + Spain (Gold*: 12,000) + Finland (Gold: 10,000) + France (Platinium*: 65,000) + Hungary (Gold: 1,000) + Italy (Gold: 35,000) + Japan (Platinium*: 200,000) + Mexico (Platinium: 60,000) + Poland (Gold: 10,000) + Sweden (Gold: 20,000) + Switzerland (Gold: 15,000) + United Kingdom (Gold: 210,000) + United States (744,000) = 1,656,000 in total.

*Certification based on shipments.

Are you aware that it would mean that 844,000 copies have been sold outside of this countries ? This is clearly impossible again. Where do they come from ?

Bulgaria ? Croatia ? Greece ? Latvia ? Thailand ? etc ? Clearly not. Based on certifications, and excluding all the countries I stated above, and the updated sales (because some ARTPOP sales haven't been updated for a while), ARTPOP hasn't been certified gold in other 34 countries in the world. All these gold certifications together represent around 230,000-250,000 units*. It means that ARTPOP sold less than this number in all of those countries. Conclusion: 2,5 million copies sold is just unreachable.

*Source: http://tinyurl.com/mmdbxg2

 

​I do want to point out something

These countries you mentioned

Bulgaria ?  Greece ? Latvia ? Thailand ?

According to the iTunes WW chart

ARTPOP is currently at

#23 in Bulgaria

#46 in Greece

#69 in Latavia

#129 In Thailand

 

Its also still top 50 in these countries

#5 Nicaragua 
#14 Armenia 
#23 Bulgaria 
#23 Costa Rica 
#28 Paraguay 
#29 Uzbekistan 
#35 Belize 
#35 Kyrgyzstan 
#37 Cyprus 
#37 Turkmenistan 
#37 Venezuela 
#44 Honduras 
#44 Tajikistan 
#44 Ukraine 
#44 Vietnam 
#46 Greece 
#47 Malta 
#48 Lithuania 
#50 Argentina

The album is still selling pretty well 2 years later.

Initial certifications are probably paid for to boost album sales but certifications over time are not. 

For example the single Bad Romance it was certified in 2013 as a Digital Diamond. It had all the sales and streams before then to make it diamond, but her record company paid for those well deserved certifications in just one day.

Bad Romance was certified 5x, 6x, 7x, 8x, 9x, and 10x platinum all in the same day. 

 

[Rainbow Unicorn 82]

I went on SNEP this morning and though I know you are going by purchased albums in France and not by certifications I found something weird maybe you can explain it to me. 

It certifies ARTPOP at Platinum for 100k on 12.17.2013 one month after it was released.

It also certifies ARTPOP at Gold (Or) on 12.31.2014 one year and one month after it was released.

Does that mean an additional certification on top of the platinum one or within the platinum one?

Does is mean because of the dates that its certified for 150k or just 100k?

​Yes, I saw that new certification too 

In France, certifications are based on shipments, that's why the Platinium certification corresponds to the 100k copies shipped. The album actually sold 65-70k there according to Charts in France (the 2nd official chart website in France). But I have to say that I don't really understand that new certification... Maybe, the label certified the album for its real sales now ? Or maybe they're just late   

​I do want to point out something

These countries you mentioned

Bulgaria ?  Greece ? Latvia ? Thailand ?

According to the iTunes WW chart

ARTPOP is currently at

#23 in Bulgaria

#46 in Greece

#69 in Latavia

#129 In Thailand

Its also still top 50 in these countries
#5 Nicaragua 
#14 Armenia 
#23 Bulgaria 
#23 Costa Rica 
#28 Paraguay 
#29 Uzbekistan 
#35 Belize 
#35 Kyrgyzstan 
#37 Cyprus 
#37 Turkmenistan 
#37 Venezuela 
#44 Honduras 
#44 Tajikistan 
#44 Ukraine 
#44 Vietnam 
#46 Greece 
#47 Malta 
#48 Lithuania 
#50 Argentina

The album is still selling pretty well 2 years later.

Initial certifications are probably paid for to boost album sales but certifications over time are not. 

For example the single Bad Romance it was certified in 2013 as a Digital Diamond. It had all the sales and streams before then to make it diamond, but her record company paid for those well deserved certifications in just one day.

Bad Romance was certified 5x, 6x, 7x, 8x, 9x, and 10x platinum all in the same day. 

​Actually, album sales in those countries are really poor... And even more on the digital market. People just don't buy albums in those countries. That's why ARTPOP is still charting in those ones on iTunes. In some countries above, you just have to buy 2 copies of the album to push it on top... 

And yes! I think record compagnies are sometimes really late on certifications... That's why ARTPOP is still not certified Gold in the US 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

​Yes, I saw that new certification too 

In France, certifications are based on shipments, that's why the Platinium certification corresponds to the 100k copies shipped. The album actually sold 65-70k there according to Charts in France (the 2nd official chart website in France). But I have to say that I don't really understand that new certification... Maybe, the label certified the album for its real sales now ? Or maybe they're just late   

​Actually, album sales in those countries are really poor... And even more on the digital market. People just don't buy albums in those countries. That's why ARTPOP is still charting in those ones on iTunes. In some countries above, you just have to buy 2 copies of the album to push it on top... 

And yes! I think record compagnies are sometimes really late on certifications... That's why ARTPOP is still not certified Gold in the US 

​I know right they certified C2C before ARTPOP. LOL Interscope is a hot mess.