Detriot Muslim Stabs 2 in Suspected Hate Crime

[craig 680]

Bingo. And OP is the one who argued that Chapel Hill shooting was just a "parking dispute" - not a hate crime and how plotting mass massacre by group of neonazis is not terrorism.

I recall you trying to say Chapel Hill was an act of terrorism, and if a Muslim did it that's what it would be called.

Yet I don't see anyone calling this incident terrorism. In fact, it's received much less media play than Chapel Hill, because leftwing media loved the Islmaophobia hate crime angle which is fresher than "yet another small-scale act of Muslim violence."

[craig 680]

When I posted this story, I choose a right-wing source because I thought it got right to the point of what happened.

Here is an example of a left wing source, the Washington Post, obscuring things and making it look like Muslims were the victims:  

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/413979/wapos-anti-muslim-hate-crime-headline-hoax-ian-tuttle?utm_campaign=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_content=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_medium=PANTHEON_STRIPPED&utm_source=PANTHEON_STRIPPED

[lego 44,165]

I recall you trying to say Chapel Hill was an act of terrorism, and if a Muslim did it that's what it would be called.

Yet I don't see anyone calling this incident terrorism. In fact, it's received much less media play than Chapel Hill, because leftwing media loved the Islmaophobia hate crime angle which is fresher than "yet another small-scale act of Muslim violence."

I said it's an obvious hate crime, which you denied.

This received less media play because there are no dead bodies and it's quite different from terrorising own neighbours for months, especially when a veiled girl moved in, then executing all 3 of them to head in their own home.

This stabbing is also different than this

http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-24675040

Yet Pavlo Lapshyn was not called a far-right-white-supremacist terrorist.

[craig 680]

I said it's an obvious hate crime, which you denied.

This received less media play because there are no dead bodies and it's quite different from terrorising own neighbours for months, especially when a veiled girl moved in, then executing all 3 of them to head in their own home.

 

Detriot incident was an obvious typical hate crime. Someone attacks a stranger purely because he is a member of group X. The Chapel Hill incident has elements of a dispute between neighbours which make it hard to say, without more detailed evidence,  that religious hate was 100% the triggering motive. 

[lego 44,165]

Detriot incident was an obvious typical hate crime. Someone attacks a stranger purely because he is a member of group X. The Chapel Hill incident has elements of a dispute between neighbours which make it hard to say, without more detailed evidence, that religious hate was 100% the triggering motive.

-it's Detroit

-arrested for d--g posession

-tests could show was this person sane; mugshot suggests - not really + was he on d--gs

So there are "other elements" in this case as well.

It's "hard to say" only for people like you who deny that islamophobia can kill. Even if it had "elements of dispute", most media took murderer's wife statement as a fact and later only questioned "was it a hate crime?", extreme atheist who posted antiislamic messages was described as "angry guy obsessed with parking space", you know very well that the media reporting would be different if roles were reversed.

[Pandemiya 61]

-it's Detroit

-arrested for d--g posession

-tests could show was this person sane; mugshot suggests - not really + was he on d--gs

So there are "other elements" in this case as well.

It's "hard to say" only for people like you who deny that islamophobia can kill. Even if it had "elements of dispute", most media took murderer's wife statement as a fact and later only questioned "was it a hate crime?", extreme atheist who posted antiislamic messages was described as "angry guy obsessed with parking space", you know very well that the media reporting would be different if roles were reversed.

Just like you say the Chapel Hill shooting was a hate crime, so is this. It is obvious that BOTH of them were hate crimes. Stop what you're trying to prove in every single thread about islam, we get it.

[lego 44,165]

Just like you say the Chapel Hill shooting was a hate crime, so is this. It is obvious that BOTH of them were hate crimes. Stop what you're trying to prove in every single thread about islam, we get it.

I didn't say it wasn't, craig has different view than you, so my reply was about his "100% clear" vs. "Other elements-not clear".

[Pandemiya 61]

I didn't say it wasn't, craig has different view than you, so my reply was about his "100% clear" vs. "Other elements-not clear".

Oh, my bad. :sweat:

[craig 680]

It's "hard to say" only for people like you who deny that islamophobia can kill. Even if it had "elements of dispute", most media took murderer's wife statement as a fact and later only questioned "was it a hate crime?", extreme atheist who posted antiislamic messages was described as "angry guy obsessed with parking space", you know very well that the media reporting would be different if roles were reversed.

Depends on which media. Many liberal sources have opposite bias of Fox News.

 

Let's suppose a man said numerous hateful comments about women on Facebook. He kills random women, it's probably motivated by misogyny. He kills his wife or a co-worker, there could be other things that sparked it.

 

This is the article on which my view is based. Pretty moderate source: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/02/13/chapel_hill_hate_crime_did_suspected_shooter_craig_hicks_gun_down_three.html

The information we do have is very much incomplete. Additional details will almost certainly come to light between now and when officials make a final decision on whether or not to pursue hate-crime charges. Even when we do know more, there’s no guarantee we’ll know better. Hicks’ true motivation may ultimately prove unknowable. Still, with Muslim groups joining the victims’ family in urging officials to investigate the killings as a hate crimeâ€â€and with global outrage over the murders (and the response to them) taking the form of the popular Twitter hashtag #muslimlivesmatterâ€â€it’s worth examining how any hate crime charges might proceed.

 

If the prosecution does attempt to seek such charges, they’ll have their work cut out for them. Proving Hicks is biased against Muslims wouldn’t be enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed the three victims because of that bias. “The difficulty of these cases is that you have to get inside the defendant’s head and show motive,†Kami Chavis Simmons, a former federal prosecutor who is now the director of Wake Forest University’s criminal justice program, told me. “With a typical hate crime, the person goes out looking for a victim who is in one these protected classes… and even then [prosecutors] face a very high burden.â€

 

Here’s what we know for sure about the crime and Hicks’ possible motives: We know that 21-year-old Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, her 23-year-old husband, Deah Shaddy Barakat, and her 19-year-old sister, Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha were shot and killed Tuesday in the apartment complex where the newlyweds lived. While Hicks has not pleaded guilty, he turned himself in and is said to be cooperating with police. We also know that Hicks has been outspoken in his criticism of religionâ€â€as the New York Times puts it, his Facebook “page is filled with posts and cartoons mocking the intelligence of people who believe in the Bibleâ€â€â€but that he also routinely clashed with neighbors over parking and other petty squabbles. “I have seen and heard him be very unfriendly to a lot of people in this community,†Samantha Maness, a resident of the apartment complex, told the Times. She described Hicks as displaying “equal opportunity anger†and said “he kind of made everyone feel uncomfortable and unsafe.†Other neighbors have told similar stories. The women’s father, meanwhile, said that one of his daughters had told him that Hicks had previously harassed her about her appearance.