Ronk 14,763 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I stan for talent and creativity...someone who is passionate about their work and contributes heavily to the writing and concepts behind their music and the presentation of their music. This pretty much sums up what makes Gaga so great. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopBitch 1,218 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 1)Rihanna doesn't write her music lol .She can make an album in 6 months. 2)I don't think Gaga is "fading" because 1 album underperformed Bowie wrote and put out 11 albums in 12 years. 1969 - 1980. Only 1978 he didn't release an album. Although, he did put out a live album in 1978. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 My thoughts exactly. It's little disorienting when people say things like, "She should be more authentic, like when she first came out." And knowing what we know now, I can't help but think that was her at her least authentic. Totally. It's why to me Gaga becomes herself during BTW, although the transition started during TFM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Totally. It's why to me Gaga becomes herself during BTW, although the transition started during TFM. BTW is no more "authentic" than TF/M though? It was mainly for her fans and disenfranchised/outcast kids, and came complete with the Mother Monster persona and made-up stories about getting tossed in dumpsters It might even be her least "authentic" album cause many of the songs aren't even about her. But I cringe even using the word authentic when it comes to Gaga. Everything she's done has always been authentic, just filtered through different personas and messages, so it's a totally misguided idea that there's a line where the "real" Gaga begins. She's always been about being this larger than life superstar figure who makes accessible pop music yet still has deep, personal meanings within the songs. No other pop star would have put a song like Paper Gangsta on their first album, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yASSsss 35,510 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 omg,this thread is so positive. we love her again Call me by your name and I'll call you by mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Its becoming a lot harder to appreciate her as my favorite artist when i thought the execution of the ARTPOP era was incredibly disappointing & a let down to many, including Gaga herself. I found the concept ridiculous & uncreative, the music dull and uninspiring, the era .... do i need to start? I'm not into Jazz either, but at least she's happy now. As fans, we are not obligated to sit and blindly agree with every move she does, we are allowed to have our own opinions without being criticized or shamed by other fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duella Dvil 10,592 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 She didn't write CTC either Is that why it's bad No but really, writing songs doesn't take a long time, she always told the story how she wrote TEOG in 7 minutes, BTW in 5 minutes, Lovegame, Paparazzi and Poker Face were all done within 1 week. It's not really time consuming. Plus when she takes a lot of time to finish songs she works too much on them and takes away from them, like she did with ARTPOP As a songwriter, it's how it goes we write CONSTANTLY, not all of it is album worthy. You can write a hundred songs each of them in five minutes... Two of them might be good or not too personal... Point is yes she wrote those in that short period of time but solidifying a concept and centering it all then pleasing yourself, as well as a label... It ain't easy. www.instagram.com/theduella666 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobot 136 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 BUT try to understand that it's not your career or legacy on the line. We are merely the beneficiaries of a talented woman at the wheel. Just enjoy the ride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FameHungry 146 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I also really enjoy being a Gaga fan. It's actually so fun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpmcmill 2,011 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Completely agree with OP! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTV 12,922 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 i can totally see her 10 years from now being on the hall of fame i can totally see her 20 years from having a lot of lifetime awards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 it's frustrating at times but still fun also TFM is a flawless masterpiece so gaga>>>>>> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Fire 7,829 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 So true! Only if her fans realise that lol... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAce 1,058 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I think it would be good if she released POP every year like Rihanna used to Then she would be perfect What do you base this on though? It's only 6 years and she is already fading That is why we are all praying that she comes back strong with her next album so that she gets out of this underdog status that she is in rn Nobody here who appreciates Gaga as an artist wants her to release basic pop music written and produced entirely by separate people for the sole purpose being able to sell more. I'm sure if she wanted to, she could easily take this shortcut and hire the best producers and songwriters and act like a machine. Fortunately, we have a fave who prefers to be an actual artist and not just a celebrity. What DjBuffoon is talking about, is entirely separate from Gaga's position on the charts. Do you think any great or legendary artist spent their entire career at the top? Logistically, if this were true, we'd have very few "legends" at this point in time. Gaga has the ability to perform, write and sing multiple genres and do a damn good job of it. Her work ethic and passion is unique amongst her peers and I can't think of anything more important for an artists' longevity. She didn't write CTC either Is that why it's bad No but really, writing songs doesn't take a long time, she always told the story how she wrote TEOG in 7 minutes, BTW in 5 minutes, Lovegame, Paparazzi and Poker Face were all done within 1 week. It's not really time consuming. Plus when she takes a lot of time to finish songs she works too much on them and takes away from them, like she did with ARTPOP That's really just your baseless, personal opinion. Cheek to Cheek performed well and many who appreciate the genre say that it's well done. I really can't understand how you can be so negative towards an album that really highlights Gaga's vocal ability, has kept in her in the spotlight and is still bringing her back in public favor. Do you typically get rude and upset when Gaga gets the chance to perform at the grammys and receives really good reviews from music critics who matter? Writing a song may take 10 minutes or it may take a week, that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that she puts a lot of time and effort into constantly writing and trying to improve. None of us have any idea of how many songs she has written but she has repeatedly hinted that there are many that have even gone through production that we'll never hear. Its becoming a lot harder to appreciate her as my favorite artist when i thought the execution of the ARTPOP era was incredibly disappointing & a let down to many, including Gaga herself. I found the concept ridiculous & uncreative, the music dull and uninspiring, the era .... do i need to start? I'm not into Jazz either, but at least she's happy now. As fans, we are not obligated to sit and blindly agree with every move she does, we are allowed to have our own opinions without being criticized or shamed by other fans. You're absolutely right that fans shouldn't blindly agree with everything she does, but that's not what's going on here. I really didn't enjoy ARTPOP either and I think she could have done many things better... but I can at least appreciate that the album sounds to be uniquely hers and that she did the best she could given everything that went wrong. They way she bounced back to work on the GUY video (and make it with her own money), despite knowing that the single wouldn't do well, says so much good about her character. Anyone of her peers would have given up. We're pretty lucky that our favorite artist is so dedicated and passionate. I've only really seen fans get shamed when they spread unnecessary negativity. Spreading unnecessary negativity =/= being critical and thoughtful. There isn't even a fine line between the two. ----------------------- I really agree with most of what has been said in this thread. Glad to see the tide shift a little bit on this forum. It's nice to know some fans here still respect Gaga as an artist after what feels like a years of unnecessary criticism, negativity and ungratefulness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 1)Rihanna doesn't write her music lol .She can make an album in 6 months. 2)I don't think Gaga is "fading" because 1 album underperformed Commercially, yes, Gaga has faded a bit. She used to be revered by the likes of Beyonce, Rihanna, Katy Perry, etc as the top girl that they kind of always respected as the top girl. But now she is on their level, and in some cases, slightly under them. I do not think this will be something that lasts that much longer. I don't think Katy is going to have that much longer of a career like Gaga. Here is why: -Katy Perry has literally done THE SAME style of music since the beginning of her pop career. She has shown absolutely no sign of changing or evolving, and infact, has critically digressed on a level that is embarassing. I call it the Benjamin Button effect. She has become more stereotypical and obvious each album, despite her promises to get more serious on each album. It works for everyone who has a good catchy hit for a few albums, but eventually they get wallowed down in the context of their own sound and it becomes passe. Music will naturally evolve on without her tbh. Unless her next album she takes a huge risk (which I doubt she will) and writes something new or re-creates her image, the Katy Perry image will be cemented in what it is and people will want something different after they realize they aren't gonna get it from her. -Gaga, on the other hand takes risks. Real legitimate risks. And I'm not talking about her art. (The GP doesn't care). I'm talking about her musical style. And honestly, anyone who has lasted more than a decade took a risk at one point, and if they fought hard enough after one, two, even three failed albums, they bounce back with an album that happens to work even better than a typical popular album because the album is good AND representative of what people happen to want to hear. ARTPOP was truly Gaga's first risky album where she really revealed herself to te public and unfortunately when the album was created it was made in a time where extreme techno was still popular in pop, and by the time it came out, techno was falling out. It's an honest mistake, and people just didn't vibe it and didn't get excited about it. I won't really divulge into Cheek to Cheek as it truly is not a SOLO Gaga "pop" album, but C2C definitely does not her Gaga....its a medication album. The flu isn't out of her system yet but C2C is the medicine healing it. Her next album is really another chance for her to come back. I doubt (at this point) that it will sly at TFM levels, however, I do feel like she could have a "BEYONCE" sized album that does really well in for this day and age, and that can simply only happen if Gaga: A- brings a new cool sound no one expected that also is very commercial and stands out B- pulls an actual Beyonce and surprises the album (but she would have to make her image high profile and wanted by random appearances and vagueness beforehand) OR C- Gaga has a song that is undeniably attractive and a guilty pleasure bop to the GP, so much so that it works like 1989 and even haters buy into it. (In other words, you want people to be joking "I can't believe I just bought a Lady Gaga album" the same way alot of ppl bought into 1989) Anyway could work. And it really just comes down to timing, mysteriousness, and getting people to want her again. I suggest route B. Rather than completely dissapearing like before ARTPOP, Gaga should do some side projects that makes people relate to her again (Jimmy Kimmel, Graham norton, SNL, a commercial, a White House performance, a CBS special) and then surprise drop the album in August. It seems to be the way she is going about it anyway tbh lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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