Dolev 867 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 yeah remember how many anti-israel protests there were in europe not too long ago? how things can change so fast I hope Europe wakes up! Just to make it clear, I'm against any kind of racism. No one should be targeted or suffer because of his background. Its just saddens me that those who allegedly suffers the most are causing suffer to others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valextra 58 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 glad no deaths 15 attacks, but 3,000,000 people in the streets today for unity. Let's focus on the positive - those who don't get it don't deserve to have a voice ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Some of you seem happy about this tbh. i'm ecstatic : I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 i'm ecstatic : I have no doubt. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Some of you seem happy about this tbh. I bet you're happy about every case of anti-Muslim graffiti, because it allows your side to play the victim or suggest some kind of moral equivalency. From what I've read, there are multiple incidents by Muslims against Jews in France in the last year that involve actual deaths or harm worse than any of the stuff on that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I bet you're happy about every case of anti-Muslim graffiti, because it allows your side to play the victim or suggest some kind of moral equivalency. From what I've read, there are multiple incidents by Muslims against Jews in France in the last year that involve actual deaths or harm worse than any of the stuff on that list. "From what I've read..", your sources are sites like jihadwatch. You should hurry up to that Pegida march, they're waiting for you. With high boots and all. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 "From what I've read..", your sources are sites like jihadwatch. You should hurry up to that Pegida march, they're waiting for you. With high boots and all. What does the source matter if it's a case of mass murder? There is spin (calling graffiti "violence") and there is clear cut physical harm). It's not conservative French people who are making Jews feel unsafe in Frence, so I'd suggest the Nazi a--logy works much better the other way around. Nazis loved to pretend they were victims of Jews too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 What does the site matter if it's a clear case of murder? There is spin, and there is clear cut terrorism. It's not conservative French people who are making Jews feel unsafe in French, so I'd suggest the Nazi a--logy works much better the other way around. Nazis loved to pretend they were victims of Jews too. It matters, because all your sources with statistics and speculations which you brought to other threads are full of garbage. You have issue with black people, you have issue with all immigrants, you defend person who wants to wipe all muslims of the planet - I think stormfront is better site for you. You side now with Jews because they are in war with your enemies, but people who follow your ideology like to beat up Jews in Europe who only look Middle Eastern. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 you defend person who wants to wipe all muslims of the planet Who are you taking about? Stop resorting to ad hominem crap because your claims got challenged. In ultra-left Sweden, smearing any critic of immigration policy or Islamism as a fascist might work, but I'm a fairly mainstream Anglo-American conservative on these issues. Been a Judeophile since before Islamic terrorism became an issue. Don't know ideology of this site, but it's 2014 Year in Review for Jews in France make the point. http://tabletmag.com/scroll/188204/the-frightening-reality-for-the-jews-of-france Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Who are you taking about? Stop resorting to ad hominem crap because your claims got challenged. In ultra-left Sweden, smearing any critic of immigration or Islamism as a fascist might work, but I'm a pretty mainstream Anglo-American conservative on these issues. I've been a Judeophile since before Islamic terrorism became an issue.Haha I'm not from Sweden, I don't live there. You think you know all about me. Check your posts from yesterday - hyperbole is a word you used to defend that idiotic post. Other users reported you for racist posts before, so I'm not surprised by any of your "conservative" views "Calling graffiti - violence" Let's see - shots fired in prayer room - muslim family car targeted with gunfire -3 training grenades thrown at mosque - graffiti death to arabs racist/ death threat (yes vandalizing private property is violence and death threats should always be taken seriously) - explosion of criminal origin at kebab place - 4 gunshots towards entrance of mosque - mosque caught in fire in suspected arson - 17 year old of North African descent assaulted by a gang after suffering racist abuse ... These people don't play victims, they are victims. Just like anyone else who is attacked because of his origin or religion. They are not responsible for terrorist attacks or antisemitic attacks. When will you realize that each person who commits a crime should be punished, not his grandma, child or neighbour down the street. I'm sure you'll find a site which claims that muslims did it all by themselves just to act like victims. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Don't know ideology of this site, but it's 2014 Year in Review for Jews in France make the point. http://tabletmag.com...-jews-of-france For most of those there is no name or origin of perpetrator, are you just gonna assume that they're all done by muslims? And many things on list are not anti jewish violence at all, like: "Dec. 2, 2014: France votes to recognize Palestine as a state, which the Israeli embassy in Paris says sends “the wrong message to leaders and people in the region.†"Oct. 23, 2014: French Jewish leader Roger Cukierman is indicted for referring to Dieudonné as a “professional anti-Semite†during a television appearance." "July 23, 2014: French Prime Minister Manuel Valls denounces anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism. “Anti-semitism, this old European disease,†he said in a speech, has taken “a new form. It spreads on the Internet, in our popular neighborhoods, with a youth that has lost its points of reference, has no conscience of history, and who hides itself behind a fake anti-Zionism.†"March 3, 2014: France’s Jews demand the election of new chief rabbi (the post had been filled by two interim chief rabbis since April 2013), in a letter that cites the need of a leader “to express the voice of Judaism during the difficult period we are experiencing.†In this case, you like to compete with numbers. But when it comes to Gaza war, numbers shouldn't be brought up, it's again their own fault they got killed. Double standards. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I didn't defend that post, I tried to explain it in the context of hyperbolic language that you see when threads are started about horrific crimes (vicious murders and pedophile rapes). Not a good posting habit, but likely not the next Breivak either Of course graffiti is wrong and should be punished - but notice those concerned with Islamist violence hardly ever mention anything that pow-level because there are so many more incidents involving physical harm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 In this case, you like to compete with numbers. But when it comes to Gaza war, numbers shouldn't be brought up, it's again their own fault they got killed. Double standards. Are you kidding? Comparing a war between government entities (where what is relevant is who started it) that happened OUTSIDE Europe, with the issue of number and severity of hate crimes INSIDE France. Notice Jews get attacked for actions of a govt. in Middle East but that almost never happens to Muslims. And many things on list are not anti jewish violence at all: Nobody said that was such a list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Did you check the HuffPost link? 51 incidents against institutions 640 incidents against individuals From what you posted graffiti are not mentioned, but France recognizing Palestine is, as something uncomfortable for the Jews. I don't know how it belongs to that list. Or that comedian case. All of the hate crimes should be condemned. Not to be "omg so sad" for one group, and "not surprised tbh" for the other. It would be rather insensitive of someone to say, after last summer attack on Gaza - to comment antisemitic attack in Europe as - "not surprised tbh" *continues to sip coffee* . That French Jew is not responsible for what Netanyahu or IDF are doing. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Are you kidding? Comparing a war between government entities (where what is relevant is who started it) that happened OUTSIDE Europe, with the issue of number and severity of hate crimes INSIDE France. Notice Jews get attacked for actions of a govt. in Middle East but that almost never happens to Muslims. Nobody said that was such a list. I don't call that war between governments. It was not even a war. Jewish people get attacked because of Israeli governments actions or because some neonazi gang hates them, Muslims get attacked because of ISIS, Al-Qaeda - terrorist stereotypes or just because they look different or wear piece of clothing which bothers local xenophobe. This is all over Europe, not just France. And it shouldn't happen anywhere to anyone. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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