lego 44,165 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 they are a minority because secularism has pushed the extremists out. they didn't use to be the minority, you know. everyone knows about the bloody history of religion's past.that's not because i'm biased and hate all religions, it's because i love and believe in human beings and their inherent potential to do the right thing and think religions are insulting lies about human nature. but that's just me. Are you saying that majority of muslims used to be terrorists before secularism?? What? The Jews have been seeking refuge from Christians in Muslim homes and mosques in Al Andalus -Spain, Ottoman Empire and in WW2 in France and Bosnia. Their relationship was ruined with the creation of Jewish state and Nakba. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Are you saying that majority of muslims used to be terrorists before secularism?? What? The Jews have been seeking refuge from Christians in Muslim homes and mosques in Al Andalus -Spain, Ottoman Empire and in WW2 in France and Bosnia. Their relationship was ruined with the creation of Jewish state and Nakba.that all of the major religions in the past have had draconian laws and customs that would be considered extremist by today's standards, that they en masse performed acts of what would be considered terrorism today to spread their religions, and in places in the world where they still have control we still view them as extreme and employing terrorism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The answers and arguments that you constantly give in this forum speak for themselves. What the hell are you talking about? Your personal bias and hate against me are so apparent, so I don't think you understand what I'm talking about here. Just stay out of it.Exactly it's called commonsense, human sympathy. Help another person in difficulty is not a thing that has to do with religion by force. No one says that religion does it BY FORCE. But it does and can inspire human to be brave and to be a better person. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Are you saying that majority of muslims used to be terrorists before secularism?? What? The Jews have been seeking refuge from Christians in Muslim homes and mosques in Al Andalus -Spain, Ottoman Empire and in WW2 in France and Bosnia. Their relationship was ruined with the creation of Jewish state and Nakba. First of all, no. Before re-locating in Israel, my grandmother left Iraq with her family because it became dangerous for Jews to live there. That was the case in many other of the Islamic countries in the region. Second & last, stop trying to make it look like Israel is the source for world's problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lego 44,165 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 First of all, no. Before re-locating in Israel, my grandmother left Iraq with her family because it became dangerous for Jews to live there. That was the case in many other of the Islamic countries in the region. Second & last, stop trying to make it look like Israel is the source for world's problems. Those incidents could have happened just before the creation because of the tensions, or other elements. You cannot say it's only religion, because all of the things I said are true, I have brought evidences before and they did happen, when muslims were even more religious than today and when they had power(andalus). FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Are you saying that majority of muslims used to be terrorists before secularism?? What? The Jews have been seeking refuge from Christians in Muslim homes and mosques in Al Andalus -Spain, Ottoman Empire and in WW2 in France and Bosnia. Their relationship was ruined with the creation of Jewish state and Nakba. Ever heard of Constantinople and the Muslin conquest? or of polytheists? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 No. I'll tell him that religions belongs with the past, and that Islam is the only religion today that many of its believers still takes it as a whole and not only the good parts and morals. We can see it everywhere today. This is were you contradict yourself. You said terrorists take it as a whole - so where are the morals and good deeds of terrorists? The fact that they are in minority and that they don't have scholars just says that they twist the religion to serve their purpose, to get more power. In the end, you cannot tell a muslim who practises and studies Islam and does only good deeds, that he's picking and choosing from his religion. You do know it better than he does.Ever heard of Constantinople and the Muslin conquest? Yes I did, and after that the Ottoman Empire spread the Jews expelled from Andalus were welcomed by the Ottomans. And they got good positions and freedom to practise their religion. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 This is were you contradict yourself. You said terrorists take it as a whole - so where are the morals and good deeds of terrorists? The fact that they are in minority and that they don't have scholars just says that they twist the religion to serve their purpose, to get more power. In the end, you cannot tell a muslim who practises and studies Islam and does only good deeds, that he's picking and choosing from his religion. You do know it better than he does. Yes I did, and after that the Ottoman Empire spread the Jews expelled from Andalus were welcomed by the Ottomans. And they got good positions and freedom to practise their religion. Well. polytheist didn't. Also do you know about Christian tattooing in Bosnia and Herzegovina? Armenian Genocide? Please don't act Ottoman empire were heaven on earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 This is were you contradict yourself. You said terrorists take it as a whole - so where are the morals and good deeds of terrorists? The fact that they are in minority and that they don't have scholars just says that they twist the religion to serve their purpose, to get more power. In the end, you cannot tell a muslim who practises and studies Islam and does only good deeds, that he's picking and choosing from his religion. You do know it better than he does. No, I don't contradict myself & that's exactly the problem with Islam. Part of the Muslims, those who support terrorism, do believe they're doing good, because they are doing what is written or said by Imam's. Those incidents could have happened just before the creation because of the tensions, or other elements. You cannot say it's only religion, because all of the things I said are true, I have brought evidences before and they did happen, when muslims were even more religious than today and when they had power(andalus). Antisemetism exsited also in muslim societies, that's your defenition of tensions? & how would you explain current Jihadism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Well. polytheist didn't. Also do you know about Christian tattooing in Bosnia and Herzegovina? Armenian Genocide? Please don't act Ottoman empire were heaven on earth. Don't twist my words! I never said it was heaven. I know Balkan history better than you, thank you very much. I was talking about general laws and acts towards Jews in the past, so bringing up today some verses to prove how all muslims always wanted to kill all Jews is false. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Don't twist my words! I never said it was heaven. I know Balkan history better than you, thank you very much. I was talking about general laws and acts towards Jews in the past, so bringing up today some verses to prove how all muslims always wanted to kill all Jews is false. What kind of an assumption You don't know shiit about me and my education and knowledge of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valextra 58 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 What the hell are you talking about? Your personal bias and hate against me are so apparent, so I don't think you understand what I'm talking about here. Just stay out of it. Please, I don't have any personal bias or hate against anybody in here, I just express my point of view in things like you do, you know, it's a forum for discuss. I only pointed out that your pretentious arguments clearly show your lack of knowledge on the matter, plain and simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Please, I don't have any personal bias or hate against anybody in here, I just express my point of view in things like you do, you know, it's a forum for discuss. I only pointed out that your pretentious arguments clearly show your lack of knowledge on the matter, plain and simple. even more funny is that she makes personal bias and hate as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valextra 58 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 even more funny is that she makes personal bias and hate as well Exactly My same thought, she is the one that she act in exactly the same way that she blame the others for And to bring personal things that has nothing to do with the conversation to defend her points like nationality, s-xuality and religion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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