craig 680 Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 it's a problem BIGGER than what most people here can begin to comprehend and goes far beyond AB v IA Yes! Will.i.am is addressing the bigger issue, not taking sides in a personal feud or the issue of who is more talented. Most of us agreeing with him are addressing the broader issue too. It's AB stans who feel compelled, it seems, to support her racial ideas that fan the flames of racial tension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judas Oyster 1,914 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I like will, but ofc he'll support Iggy when he's making hip-hop for Britney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael 533 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 well the entire point and argument clearly went over will.i.am's head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 My passion just stems from a place of deep disappointment that somebody as influencial as as he was in Hip-Hop would just completely sell himself out. I know that all artists have to, but to that degree will.i.am did is just pure perversion and disgusting to me. I don't find his opinion credible at all, because in my eyes he's been doing the same thing Iggy tried to do: Break into a somewhat foreign culture's mainstream with a really cheap caricature of music. Stuff like 50 Cent WAS mainstream in the mid-00's. Will.i.am fused rap and electro and did someone original. A sellout follows trends - he set them. That better than making the same generic rap over and over, like Nicki's song feat those 3 guys. A sound that once would crossover to pop and now doesn't, because it's stale. I like will, but ofc he'll support Iggy when he's making hip-hop for Britney. Nicki opened for Britney's tour, but haven't heard her support Iggy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Imo, will.i.am, did nothing to redeem himself as a hip-hop artist. for a very long time. i despise his current music, and I really think that EDM's horrible reputation stems from his productions. I'm not saying that black artists, aren't allowed to do pop, EDM or any other genre, Kanye's pop records are some of the greatest of all time, The Weeknd is one of the most talented artists I can think of, Chasing Time by Azealia is a great song. My passion just stems from a place of deep disappointment that somebody as influencial as as he was in Hip-Hop would just completely sell himself out. I know that all artists have to, but to that degree will.i.am did is just pure perversion and disgusting to me. I don't find his opinion credible at all, because in my eyes he's been doing the same thing Iggy tried to do: Break into a somewhat foreign culture's mainstream with a really cheap caricature of music. I'm sure this is the same thing many old EDM fans think about Gaga. She is basically one of the main reasons why EDM is now "trash", because she decided to make it mainstream and pop-ish. Did Nicki Minaj lose her right to talk about this too? Because she made even worse dance pop music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissyFromSpace 20,884 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 king of rap supporting the queen Barbie elitist - Weaboo - Sissy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 Where will.i.am departed from Ms Banks isn't 2009 but 2004. It's when he let Fergie join BEP and made Where is the Love? I guess he's a "coon" like T.I because he promoted a white girl in hip-hop, and preached love and harmony in his songs instead of black nationalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal 768 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 He's right though, ethics has been lost in this argument aka AB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retep 0 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I agree. I don't believe Iggy is more successful than Azealia because she is white, I believe she is more successful because she makes a lot more pop based records than Azealia, which is more marketable, no matter how much more I think Azealia is talented. Don't get me wrong, I'm aware that white privileges still exist, I just don't believe this is an example of it. This is how I've seen it TBH. Iggy makes commercial and easily digestible music for the masses that's easy to latch onto, AB's music panders more to the love of critics and 'true' hip-hop fans. Her sound isn't easy to throw onto a pop station or garner airplay while Iggy is making hooks and verses that become infectious ear worms. If the roles were reversed in terms of the music genres and content created I think AB would be just as successful in a mainstream way. In terms of people being upset on Iggy 'ruining' the genre, I've actually had a number of friends who now are looking deeper into genre and discovering artists like Kendrick, Missy, Lil Kim, etc. due to an interest from some of Iggy's songs. In some ways I think she makes a decent bridge for some to get into a new genre and explore it more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Why would you throw Nicki and Kanye in the same pot as will.i.am? As far as I remember they actually are still making rap music that adresses social issues. I don't know if you heard Yeezus or the Pinkprint, but it didn't sound like a cheap attempt to grab another quick #1 from a slowly dying genre to me. The last 3 albums will.i.am put out did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inuborg 4,136 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 king of rap supporting the queen I root for you. I love you. You, you, you, you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judas Oyster 1,914 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Stuff like 50 Cent WAS mainstream in the mid-00's. Will.i.am fused rap and electro and did someone original. A sellout follows trends - he set them. That better than making the same generic rap over and over, like Nicki's song feat those 3 guys. A sound that once would crossover to pop and now doesn't, because it's stale. Nicki opened for Britney's tour, but haven't heard her support Iggy. Britney is not using they word nïgga and talking about being the realest. Neither is she only making hip-hop... She's not considered a hip-hop artist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honza 2,194 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 :applause: Come along with me and the butterflies and bees Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 Britney is not using they word nïgga and talking about being the realest. Neither is she only making hip-hop... She's not considered a hip-hop artist. My point was that if any rap purest is gonna diss will.i.am for producing Britney, it applies equally to Nicki for opening for her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi 35 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 well the entire point and argument clearly went over will.i.am's head yas finallly someone spills the real tea in this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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