Nicki Minaj shares "Why Grammys are as white as you think" article

[Benji 20,113]

This is liberal propaganda... men only gave women the vote under intense pressure. see http://www.thesuffragettes.org/history/militant-suffragettes/

 

There's more to that movement in history than just one article.

 

The dominant culture wants you to believe that violence in political movements is ineffective so that participants in things like the Ferguson riots can be demonised.

 

That's completely irrelevant? I agree but still..... completely irrelevant.

 

It's so offensive to suggest that the oppressor classes are responsible for the freedoms that oppressed classes have gained. It was the oppressed who gave their lives to the fights for liberation, not the oppressors.

 

It's all about collaborative change? Surely you're able to understand the sides of oppression must be subdued for the oppressed to actually gain more freedom? I haven't suggested it was just the oppressed that made the changes but read what you want I suppose.

 

Also, why are you talking as if whites, POC, straights, gays, men, women are all on an equal playing field now? 

 

Where did I even begin to insinuate that? I purposely used "more equality" to make my opinion pretty clear, how could I have made that clearer to you?

[Willy Wonka 4]

This is liberal propaganda... men only gave women the vote under intense pressure. see http://www.thesuffragettes.org/history/militant-suffragettes/

With regards to gay rights... the stonewall riots? lol. The dominant culture wants you to believe that violence in political movements is ineffective so that participants in things like the Ferguson riots can be demonised.

It's so offensive to suggest that the oppressor classes are responsible for the freedoms that oppressed classes have gained. It was the oppressed who gave their lives to the fights for liberation, not the oppressors. Also, why are you talking as if whites, POC, straights, gays, men, women are all on an equal playing field now? 

Violence is basically the reason we all have rights.

[Hewkah 48]

Craig sis arent you asian?! Why are you in every white thread discussion defending the double standards? You're a person of color. Be proud of yourself sis

 

I've never understood this. Everyone, it seems, is a "person of colour" except white people. Last I heard, white is still a colour. When white people get mad, they sometimes go red, when white people get sick, they sometimes have a green look about them. I understand the concept when people say "People of colour" but I always thought it was wiser for people to be more specific about said persons colour - like: "they're black, they're yellow, they're white, etc." But perhaps I'm being hyper sensitive about this issue? I don't know... It's a very subjective statement. 

[Willy Wonka 4]

I've never understood this. Everyone, it seems, is a "person of colour" except white people. Last I heard, white is still a colour. When white people get mad, they sometimes go red, when white people get sick, they sometimes have a green look about them. I understand the concept when people say "People of colour" but I always thought it was wiser for people to be more specific about said persons colour - like: "they're black, they're yellow, they're white, etc." But perhaps I'm being hyper sensitive about this issue? I don't know... It's a very subjective statement.

White is the absence of color sis

[Schwerk 6,984]

This is more of a genre issue and less of a race issue.

 

This. Pretty much everything has become one big cross-over. They should rethink the category's imo.

[squeala 875]

There's more to that movement in history than just one article.

wow what an insightful response. you definitely read that link. thanks. i'm not wasting my time at all.

[Benji 20,113]

wow what an insightful response. you definitely read that link. thanks. i'm not wasting my time at all.

 

You can't insightfully detail every moment of a movement in a fairly short article. Of course the main movement was pushed by the suffragettes but they had male supporters too, that is my point.

[squeala 875]

You can't insightfully detail every moment of a movement in a fairly short article. Of course the main movement was pushed by the suffragettes but they had male supporters too, that is my point.

what? where did i imply that that article summed up the women's suffrage movement? you said that history's resistance movements didn't really start until the oppressors supposedly had a change of heart and fought with them. that's simply not true.

[Benji 20,113]

what? where did i imply that that article summed up the women's suffrage movement? you said that history's resistance movements didn't really start until the oppressors supposedly had a change of heart and fought with them. that's simply not true.

 

You didn't explain why you used that article? I can't help it if you're unclear.

 

I actually said -

 

I don't know if you're aware of history but every fight for equality only picks up real steam in bringing change when those who are part of the oppression begin to fight for change too.

 

Which means not much change occurs until both are fighting for it, which is true? Oppression can't end until support from the side of oppression is felt.

[squeala 875]

You didn't explain why you used that article? I can't help it if you're unclear.

 

I actually said -

 

 

 

 

Which means not much change occurs until both are fighting for it, which is true? Oppression can't end until support from the side of oppression is felt.

i used that article because you have an extremely watered-down neoliberal understanding of resistance movements in history. the article describes how men as a class used violence against the suffragettes at every step of the way rather than supporting them.

 

where is that statement coming from? given that the systems of oppression we're talking about are still intact i don't see how you can talk about support from oppressors ending oppression.

[Benji 20,113]

i used that article because you have an extremely watered-down neoliberal understanding of resistance movements in history. the article describes how men as a class used violence against the suffragettes at every step of the way rather than supporting them.

 

where is that statement coming from? given that the systems of oppression we're talking about are still intact i don't see how you can talk about support from oppressors ending oppression.

 

I swear your prerogative is to just attempt to poke holes in something that generally is pretty understandable and acceptable if you actually thought about it. If there was NO male support for women's rights to vote, it simply would not have happened due to the oppressors not changing. EVERY large movement has had support from the "opposing" side or some form of give to allow them to even bring around some form of change.

 

Are you purposely trying to lead this in circles? Use your own limited knowledge of rights movements to inspire you to read and watch some of the actions that took place.

 

Take a look at Martin Luther's I Have A Dream march/speech and take note of the attendees, people of MANY backgrounds and races supported the movement because they believed change had to happen.

[squeala 875]

I swear your prerogative is to just attempt to poke holes in something that generally is pretty understandable and acceptable if you actually thought about it. If there was NO male support for women's rights to vote, it simply would not have happened due to the oppressors not changing. EVERY large movement has had support from the "opposing" side or some form of give to allow them to even bring around some form of change.

 

Are you purposely trying to lead this in circles? Use your own limited knowledge of rights movements to inspire you to read and watch some of the actions that took place.

 

Take a look at Martin Luther's I Have A Dream march/speech and take note of the attendees, people of MANY backgrounds and races supported the movement because they believed change had to happen.

if there was zero male support for women's right to vote, the suffragettes would have burned down parliament or something. they would have made it happen.

[Benji 20,113]

if there was zero male support for women's right to vote, the suffragettes would have burned down parliament or something. they would have made it happen.

 

 

And this is where the conversation ends

 

[DIVA 666]

what makes you think that POC are unable to "resolve anything"? i'm not suggesting that white people should not have conversations about racism and how we can be allies to POC, i simply said that white people have no place in conversations about this topic. white people don't get to decide what is and is not a "race issue".

I get what you're saying, and I certainly do think that POC can resolve issues, but in this situation, if the problem is with whites, then it only makes sense to have their cooperation in order to resolve the problem, or at least work towards resolving it.  Both POC and white people are variables in the equation of equality. 

[squeala 875]

I get what you're saying, and I certainly do think that POC can resolve issues, but in this situation, if the problem is with whites, then it only makes sense to have their cooperation in order to resolve the problem, or at least work towards resolving it.  Both POC and white people are variables in the equation of equality. 

you're not listening to what i'm saying... white people are not welcome in these conversations. they need to listen to POC and focus on being good allies. what is an "equation of equality"   we're talking about a violent, murderous system of oppression here... good intentions will only go so far