squeala 875 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 The Irish Times reports, Cabinet today agreed to proceed with legislation to criminalise the purchase of s-x. The new s-xual offences legislation will also strengthen laws on grooming, child ****ography and harassment. The Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill is due to be published later this week. On the age of consent issue, Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald abandoned moves by her predecessor Alan Shatter to lower the age of s-xual consent from 17 to 16. Ms Fitzgerald brought a memo to Cabinet on the issue seeking approval to prepare legislation to criminalise the purchase of s-xual services without criminalising the sellers of the services on Tuesday. Her aim is to put the burden of the legal system on those who avail of prostitution. The detailed legislation, containing 70 sections, will include measures to broaden the definitions of some s-xual offences and strengthen measures so that offences will be easier to prosecute. The Oireachtas justice committee has previously recommended that the purchase of s-x be criminalised. Meghan Murphy wrote a great article explaining why this is such great news Like many campaigners who have personal experience of prostitution, I support the “Nordic model,†which criminalizes the demand for paid s-xual access to people, decriminalizes those who are so exploited, and offers exit routes including education and training. It can only be objected to from a standpoint that refuses to view women as fully viable humans on a par with men. The reason for this is simple: the overwhelming majority of those exploited in prostitution are female. Added to that, many are adolescent girls below the age of consent. I know from first-hand experience that very often females are prostituted before they’ve even reached the age of s-xual consent. That was the case for me also; I was 15 years old when I was coerced into prostitution by an adult male. - Rachel Moran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 paying for s-x was recently banned in the north too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAmerica 39 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I have no problem with prostitution as long as it is consensual. The problem is that so many times it is impossible to know wether someone is doing it out of free will or is being forced to do so... even when they seem to be doing it "freely." They are threatened to act as though it is their own choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeala 875 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 paying for s-x was recently banned in the north too. that's so good to hear! I have no problem with prostitution as long as it is consensual. The problem is that so many times it is impossible to know wether someone is doing it out of free will or is being forced to do so... even when they seem to be doing it "freely." They are threatened to act as though it is their own choice. i know a lot of people share your opinion but imo prostitution is paid rape i mean what's the money for if the act is "consensual"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,116 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Is that mean no prostitution in any parts of Ireland? (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ ᶠʳᵒⁿᵗ ᵗᵒʷᵃʳᵈ ᵉⁿᵉᵐʸ (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausOfGuy 10 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies... i think its stupid that the government feels like they have the right to tell people what they can and cant do with their dicks, vaginas etc... my grandma always told me, as long as you have a mouth, an anus and a vagina/penis you'll never starve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeala 875 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Is that mean no prostitution in any parts of Ireland? Yeah! Northern Ireland is part of the united kingdom, but the republic is separate. The laws are often ambiguous though... In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of s-xual services for money) is legal, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes. In England, Wales and in Northern Ireland it is an offence to pay for s-x with a prostitute who has been “subjected to force†and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they did not know the prostitute was forced). It is illegal to buy s-x from a person younger than 18, although the age of consent for non-commercial s-x is 16. - Wikipedia People should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies... i think its stupid that the government feels like they have the right to tell people what they can and cant do with their dicks, vaginas etc... my grandma always told me, as long as you have a mouth, an anus and a vagina/penis you'll never starve. Okay but the laws are being implemented to protect people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterOfSpain 8,331 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 my grandma always told me, as long as you have a mouth, an anus and a vagina/penis you'll never starve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,116 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Yeah! Northern Ireland is part of the united kingdom, but the republic is separate. The laws are often ambiguous though... - Wikipedia Okay but the laws are being implemented to protect people. Thanks. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ ᶠʳᵒⁿᵗ ᵗᵒʷᵃʳᵈ ᵉⁿᵉᵐʸ (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teo 609 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I mean how is prostitution any different than ****ography - you go somewhere and you get paid to have s-x with a stranger? This profession has been here long before Ireland even existed and it's still practiced in countries where they kill for it, so they're not gonna stop it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora 162 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Queen Ireland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish 6,259 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 that's so good to hear! i know a lot of people share your opinion but imo prostitution is paid rape i mean what's the money for if the act is "consensual"? money does not render the consensual aspect void. When you pay for a car, its a contract based on consensualism: you agree to pay a certain amount while the other party agrees to give you a car with the features written in the contract. Money is at the heart of consensualism actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAmerica 39 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 i know a lot of people share your opinion but imo prostitution is paid rape i mean what's the money for if the act is "consensual"? I guess what I mean is that the lines are so blurred that it is impossible to tell what is going on in any specific s-xual exchange, making these types of legislations completely necessary. However, I do think that there can be a situation in which there is a contract in which a person in all their faculties and completely conscious of what they are doing, is willing and completely okay with having s-x for money... this situation happens at a minimal rate, if ever. If somebody is practicing prostitution out of need for money, I do not consider that mutual consent, which rules out so many cases right there. I do think you bring up a very good point as in how so many people view s-x: a product up for grabs, when in reality it is so much more than that. It correlates to the psyche, the human spirit, and so many more aspects of a human life that the word "consensual" does star to lose its meaning. Your response triggered that internal debate. Thanks! I hadn´t thought about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeala 875 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 money does not render the consensual aspect void. When you pay for a car, its a contract based on consensualism: you agree to pay a certain amount while the other party agrees to give you a car with the features written in the contract. Money is at the heart of consensualism actually. So you're saying you view prostituted people as objects? Commodities? I guess what I mean is that the lines are so blurred that it is impossible to tell what is going on in any specific s-xual exchange, making these types of legislations completely necessary. However, I do think that there can be a situation in which there is a contract in which a person in all their faculties and completely conscious of what they are doing, is willing and completely okay with having s-x for money... this situation happens at a minimal rate, if ever. If somebody is practicing prostitution out of need for money, I do not consider that mutual consent, which rules out so many cases right there. I do think you bring up a very good point as in how so many people view s-x: a product up for grabs, when in reality it is so much more than that. It correlates to the psyche, the human spirit, and so many more aspects of a human life that the word "consensual" does star to lose its meaning. Your response triggered that internal debate. Thanks! I hadn´t thought about that. Thanks for your answer. I still don't understand - in what situation could you be paid for s-x yet all parameters of consent are satisfied? Surely if it's totally consensual then you'd have s-x with the person even if money was not involved. But I'm glad you recognise that laws need to deal with realities in order to protect people rather than abstract concepts as you described. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 So you're saying you view prostituted people as objects? Commodities? Well, you are paying them for a service. It's like going to a restaurant. You go in, eat, and pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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