Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread 2.0

[TiphEret 1,320]

both do questionable things. Though IDF is also there to protect. So I wouldn't put them on the same stage

From what I have seen and the people I talked with i am sorry but the only difference is that IDF is legal and a national army. they are supposed to have some regulations but when you see what they do on the ground, when you read break the silence stories from Israeli soldiers , you know they don't "just protect" they also terrorize. The Hamas (that I don't support) could clame that by chasing Jews away they are protecting Palestinian, so see it's a question of rethoric but imagine reading an article without a mention of who is who, I wonder who people would side with. You know I love Israel, I had an amazing experience there but what the army does, the government and settlers do is just disgusting.

I doubt. There is even a change in US campuses. (BDS) they are anti-Israel and even worse they are openly anti-Semitic but no one seems to care

I don't know what you are talking about actually. I am not sure anyway that what some US campuses feels like will have an actual impact on the ground. You will always have antisemitic hatred growing because of Israel action while Anti muslim action will grow from what hamas does, because some people can't distinguish action from a group of people and the whole community but I still doubt it will change the current outcome because no country is doing anything to intervene we are just watching in silence and that's so sickening.

[Melech 9,900]

From what I have seen and the people I talked with i am sorry but the only difference is that IDF is legal and a national army. they are supposed to have some regulations but when you see what they do on the ground, when you read break the silence stories from Israeli soldiers , you know they don't "just protect" they also terrorize. The Hamas (that I don't support) could clame that by chasing Jews away they are protecting Palestinian, so see it's a question of rethoric but imagine reading an article without a mention of who is who, I wonder who people would side with. You know I love Israel, I had an amazing experience there but what the army does, the government and settlers do is just disgusting.

I didn't want to deny what IDF is partly doing because highly disagree. And let me not start with the government/settlers. The difference is that Hamas partly also use their own citizens as human shields e.g

I don't know what you are talking about actually. I am not sure anyway that what some US campuses feels like will have an actual impact on the ground. You will always have antisemitic hatred growing because of Israel action while Anti muslim action will grow from what hamas does, because some people can't distinguish action from a group of people and the whole community but I still doubt it will change the current outcome because no country is doing anything to intervene we are just watching in silence and that's so sickening.

that BDS movement for example made that an American Jew wasn't allowed to perform. (Matisyahu if you know him) 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNDCcsH_wgU

To that documentary, it's clear that it's biased. In my opinion you can be Anti-Israel, but it is wrong to shut down Jewish students simply for being Jewish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

The sentiment on college campuses reflects the future voters and attitudes of politicians.  Most every politician today went to a college somewhere.

secondly, the differences between and Hamas led Palestine are intent.  iDF is meant to protect the Israeli people, tho not always carried out ...

Hamas is does and will always be an organization formed to removed Isreal from the land they 'claim'. They do little in the way of help their own people beyond planned attacks on Isreal.

[TiphEret 1,320]

I didn't want to deny what IDF is partly doing because highly disagree. And let me not start with the government/settlers. The difference is that Hamas partly also use their own citizens as human shields e.g

that BDS movement for example made that an American Jew wasn't allowed to perform. (Matisyahu if you know him) 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNDCcsH_wgU

To that documentary, it's clear that it's biased. In my opinion you can be Anti-Israel, but it is wrong to shut down Jewish students simply for being Jewish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I know Matisyahu I like it a lot actually, I will look into it

[lego 44,165]

WARNING: GRAPHIC  

[River 127,432]

WARNING: GRAPHIC  

The kid stubbed a 13 years old Israeli boy today... now both kids are in the hospital and about to die.

 

When a 13 years old boy stubbing a 13 years old boy, that means that we reached the limit! something has to be done! they are just kids!!! goddammit!! they should play together! be friend!!

I can't anymore, really can't.

 

[Highway10 1,072]

this is all so sad i wish there wasn't any war going on in the world  

Michael Jackson was right about the planet dying .... he tried to warn us

pretty soon World War 3 is gonna start

[Melech 9,900]

WARNING: GRAPHIC  

But this is also biased news posting. Nowhere mentioned that he actually stabbed someone as well

 

[Melech 9,900]

This was nowhere close to a settlement 

 

 

[lego 44,165]

But this is also biased news posting. Nowhere mentioned that he actually stabbed someone as well

 

It's not biased reporting, this is what they did in the video and it is inhumane and disgusting.

We don't really know was it him who did it or someone else, I'm not blindly believing every IDF report when they are many times caught in lies. One girl was shot and she had pair of sunglasses, not a knife. Many times they are executed for "attempting to stab a soldier" and we just have to take their words for it even when video leaks contradict their statement.

Those are called extrajudicial killings. 

You all should read this,

 

"Israel's lawless death penalty without trial buoyed by cheers of the masses

 

The people of Israel see these pictures and most of them are filled with delight and pleasure, as the media inflames their animal urges.

A spree of extrajudicial killings is sweeping over the land. It’s sickening, barbaric and lawless – and it is buoyed by the cheers of the masses, media incitement and the authorities’ encouragement.

Now add to the wave of terror attacks the worst kind of damage – Israeli society is losing its image. This society has had savage periods before, but not like this one, in which every stabber or anyone who threatens with a knife, screwdriver or vegetable peeler is executed, even after he has thrown down his weapon, while the killer becomes a hero of the nation.

Those who wanted the death penalty for terrorists are now receiving a more ignominious version – a death penalty without trial. Fourteen Palestinians have been killed this way in the past week, most of them would not be liable for a death sentence in a state of law. The blood lust, the likes of which is not remembered in these parts, wants more and more blood.

In some of the attacks, the security forces and civilians acted appropriately and neutralized the assailants. Sometimes, there is no choice but to shoot and kill. But in other cases, they carried out an execution, there is no other way to describe it. The video clips prove it indisputably.

It’s enough to watch the atrocious shooting of Asra’a Abed in Afula, who stood still with a knife in her hand, surrounded by armed policemen who drew closer and closer to her, one of them licking an ice-lolly, until they finally fired several bullets into her from short range, instead of taking control of her and disarming her. It looks like murder. Those policemen were too cowardly or revenge-thirsty and for that they deserve to go on trial, not a citation.

Even more ghoulish appears theexecution of Fadi Alon in Jerusalem. After he threw down the knife with which he had stabbed and injured a Jewish youth, he tried to flee from the angry rabble toward the policemen, while the mob incited the policemen with gutter language to kill him. Responding to the riff raff’s request, the policemen shot the youngster to death, for no reason, then rolled his body into the road.

The grotesque element was provided by the attack in Tel Aviv. A Palestinian with a tiny screwdriver, who had stabbed and very slightly injured a number of Israelis, was shot to deathby an IDF officer. Second Lieutenant Daniel became the hero of the day. Entire pages in the media were written about him, hailing him as a “combatant in an air defense unit who did what is expected of a combatant.” The stabber’s body, which nobody bothered to cover, the tiny screwdriver beside it, is Daniel’s citation. “Heroism at the Kirya’s gate,” screamed the headlines. These are your heroes, Israel, taking out desperate youngsters with a screwdriver who could and should have been arrested.

The people of Israel see these pictures and most of them are filled with delight and pleasure, as the media inflames their animal urges. That’s the real incitement. Adults and children see how Arabs are shot like stray dogs at the roadside and learn the lesson. In this way, one of the main reasons for this uprising’s eruption is demonstrated - the dehumanization of the Palestinians, whose life and death are worthless to the Israelis.

Nobody dreams of killing Yishai Shlisel or the murderer of teenager Maor Almakayas in Kiryat Gat, but killing a Palestinian is applauded and cheered by the incited mob. And we haven’t yet mentioned the shooting of demonstrators on the Gaza border for no reason, shooting that killed seven civilians including a child. Nor have we mentioned the lynching attempt in Afula, or the Jewish stabber in Dimona, whom no one thought of executing, never mind destroying his house. He came from a background of “distress” so was forgiven, as though the Palestinian stabbers didn’t come from a background of “distress” ten times deeper.

One of this barbarism’s advocates, Dan Margalit, provided the justification for it on Friday. “It’s highly advisable to shoot all terrorists… the more terrorists that are struck down, the fewer of them there’ll be,” he said. To this Hottentot morality, which fails the test of reality, one might add: the more rapists, muggers, dangerous drivers, s-xual perverts, leftists and Arabs that are struck down – the fewer of them we’ll have. Death to the Arabs – it’s time to storm the next target.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.679781?v=6FDD36D9A924A826FAD99368E23E01FF

 

[Luiz 4,253]

Three people were murdered and dozens were wounded in five terror attacks in Jerusalem, Ra'anana and Kiryat Ata on Tuesday. One of the victims was idenified as Rabbi Yeshayahu Krishevsky, 60. 

Hamas praised the attacks, saying they are "a message to anyone who harms our holy places. We call to continue the intifada, which is the natural response to the world's silence."

 

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will convene his Security Cabinet at midday to decide on further steps to take in light of the ongoing terror attacks. 

In Kiryat Ata, a northern city near Haifa, a terrorist stabbed at least one person outside IKEA. The attacker has been subdued, while the victim's was moderately wounded. Both stabber and victim are Jewish, but it remains unclear whether the stabbing was a nationalistic incident or a criminal one. Police were investigating the suspicion that the attacker wanted to stab an Arab, but mistakened the nationality of his victim.

Three were murdered and 17 others wounded in two simultaneous morning attacks in Jerusalem's East Talpiot and Geula neighborhoods.

Two terrorists boarded an Egged bus on Olei HaGardom Street in East Talpiot, a neighborhood also known as Armon HaNetziv, armed with a gun and the other with a knife.

 

They started shooting and stabbing passengers while the bus kept moving, killing a man in his 60s and wounding four others. One of the wounded was later declared dead at the hospital.

 

A security guard at the scene was able to overpower one of them and shoot him. The terrorist then tried to get up and resume his attack, but the security guard shot him again.

 

The second terrorist locked the bus' doors in an attempt to stop security forces from boarding, as well as stopping passengers from fleeing. Policemen opened fire at him from outside the bus.

 

One of the terrorists was killed, while the other was wounded and neutralized.

Eye-witnesses said one of the terrorists took over the driver's seat in an attempt to kidnap the bus. Golan Cohen-Gabai, one of the eye-witnesses, said he used his car to block off the bus and stop the terrorist from taking it.

 

"Then he opened the doors and wanted to come at me with a knife. I closed the windows, so he ran back and returned with a gun.... I held him here for two minutes and then police forces arrived," he said.

 

An MDA paramedic who arrived at the scene of the attack described it as chaotic, saying gunfire was heard as rescue teams arrived.  

 

On Malkhei Yisrael Street in Geula, a terrorist drove a car into a bus stop, hitting two pedestrians - one of which, 60-year-old Rabbi Yeshayahu Krishevsky, was killed and the other seriously wounded. The terrorist then left the vehicle and started repeatedly stabbing the two victims.  A security guard who was nearby arrived at the scene of the attack and shot the terrorist, critically wounding him.

 

The terrorist, identified as Alaa Abu Jamal, a resident of East Jerusalem with Israeli citizenship, was an employee of Israeli phone company Bezeq, and was using a company car to commit the attack. 

 

A statement issued by Bezeq said: "We just learned that a Bezeq employee was responsible for the terror attack in Jerusalem this morning on Malkhei Yisrael Street. At this point we do not have all of the details, but it is clear this is a serious incident.

 

"Bezeq, and all of its employees, scorns this heinous crime. Our hearts are with the victims and their families."

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4710508,00.html Full Story

 

i'd paste more but the copy paste is going all over the place  

[Melech 9,900]

Horrible. I was talking with Israelis and some have current fears for just going out

 

[ゼレミ ノヴェリノ 370]

oh boy that left me speechless

kaboom

[lego 44,165]

Horrible mess.

 

Wait

"In Kiryat Ata, a northern city near Haifa, a terrorist stabbed at least one person outside IKEA. The attacker has been subdued, while the victim's was moderately wounded. Both stabber and victim are Jewish, but it remains unclear whether the stabbing was a nationalistic incident or a criminal one. Police were investigating the suspicion that the attacker wanted to stab an Arab, but mistakened the nationality of his victim."

 

 

Was he shot dead? Will his home be demolished?  

 

 

 

You see, it's counterproductive! 

[Melech 9,900]

Arabs attack Jewish man