Jeff Kunst 0 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Treating a grown woman like a child doesn't seem compatible with feminism to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Miley is more like Sinaed, being gross for shock value, than she is like Britney who actually was conventionally s-xy. Both Miley and Sinead have short uns-xy hairstyles too There is always an excuse why a female singer can't be s-xual, either she has too many fans underage and is a bad influence, or she'd too old and should put it away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Important to note: she's saying that Miley is a victim of the music industry, not a conscious anti-feminist icon. Which is even more demeaning, as it denies her agency and makes her a puppet. Seeing women as weak victims manipulated by males doesn't seen very feminist, although some feminists like to promote that view (especially of woman who don't see things their way). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Agreed. When female artists are overly s-xualized people were saying it was objectification of women and men just wanting women to shut up and look pretty. Now female artists like Nicki Minaj, Miley, and Beyonce are doing just the same but its somehow different? It has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with promo and controversy. Gaga is an example of a type of person who uses s-x appeal but is not a victim and enslaved by it, she is in full control What makes Gaga different though? Not trying to pick a fight, I'm genuinely curious as to why you see her as in control of her own s-xuality, but all of those other artists as enslaved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I think Gaga is typical of s-xy female performers. Most women who love to perform on stage and aspire to stardom, also enjoy showing off their bodies. For example, I know for a fact that Kylie's s-xier image for her 3rd and 4th albums was actually in rebellion against the wishes of her more conservative PWL label. They complained that her Word is Out video was too s-xy and hurt the song. The girls who don`t feel that way tend to withdraw into songwriting and away from the limelight, like Kate Bush. Or they make "music for the ears not the eyes" like Adele. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 32,822 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Which is even more demeaning, as it denies her agency and makes her a puppet. Seeing women as weak victims manipulated by males doesn't seen very feminist, although some feminists like to promote that view (especially of woman who don't see things their way). Good point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Heart 4,400 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 hahahaha Mileys just an act so i agree with Sinead. "GGD IS NOT FOR YOU" - Admin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 If gaga wrote this about the industry...you would be praising her did you even consciously read the article tho...? You don't know me honey so you can't say that about me. Gaga always talks nonsense. And yes, I read the article. She tries to make it seem like Miley was manipulated by her label to be s-xy and shocking which is not the case at all. If you watch her documentary you can see that from the start she had a very clear vision of what she wanted for her career and she executed it perfectly. What she does IS feminism. She's using her s-xuality to her favor and it's her choice to do so. About the younger fanbase, it's not her responsabilty to raise no one's children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
popper 3 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 She's an adult and she can do whatever her wants Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock 20,290 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Sinead who will love me when the night is over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor 1,060 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 What makes Gaga different though? Not trying to pick a fight, I'm genuinely curious as to why you see her as in control of her own s-xuality, but all of those other artists as enslaved? Because Gaga can show her entire body, yet still not be s-xualized and reduced to her flesh. She can do what these artists can't and make herself look ugly (purposefully) while selling platinum records. She doesn't need the s-x appeal to sell, whereas beyonce and nicki (especially) are dependent on it, and are desperate to be adored, and perceived as beautiful by men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizonadream777 184 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Who's the Other artist she's talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pips 0 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Who's the Other artist she's talking about? Gaga I think. About the "Get your dicks out" part of the Monsterball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staryu 6,162 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Geez Sinéad, chill a bit. I mean I love you but... #TeamMiley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Because Gaga can show her entire body, yet still not be s-xualized and reduced to her flesh. She can do what these artists can't and make herself look ugly (purposefully) while selling platinum records. She doesn't need the s-x appeal to sell, whereas beyonce and nicki (especially) are dependent on it, and are desperate to be adored, and perceived as beautiful by men. Miley makes herself look ugly too (though there is more thought behind what Gaga does). Even singers s-xy in as pretty and feminine way still have a main market of girls. Naturally there is a larger market for that, because more girls want to beautiful and glamorous than ugly or weird looking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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