Investors pull $27bn out of UK amid fears of Scotland’s exit

[craig 680]

"The UK might be a rich country... For the Rich yes

As the saying goes - the rich gets richer and the poorer gets poorer"

So you make things worse for the rich and business in Scotland - and all your brightest and best move to London. Your bank head offices definitely will. Anyone big in music or acting will still be moving to England for their career and pay taxes there, especially if the rate is lower.

[Economy 52,861]

nah it's not like I'm completely educated on the subject, but it's a lot easier for the yes campaign to sway Scottish people because they can refer to the economic problems in Scotland and just blame Westminster, but in reality English politicians and Scottish politicians are all the same and with independence there will still always be pockets of unemployment, and other economic problems that no government can fix entirely.

thats the thing. And some issues are not even in the Governments control. Like economic issues for instance, its nearly impossible to stay unaffected when the entire world went into the biggest financial crisis since 2008. How do u escape that when everything is connected now a days? U cant!

But ppl blame Governments anyway

Here in Canada even as the US collapse in 2008, and 70% of our exports go there... We managed to stay more solid and financially stable than most Nations without a single bank failing and our deficits were under control.

Instead of applauding our Government for doing such a good iob ppl complained "the economy isnt great" under their direction

No ****. Our biggest trading partner went into a deep recession, our currency shot up and killed many exporters and the Government is to blame? Please! :roll:

[Economy 52,861]

do we want to part of a country happy to spend £8m on Thatcher's funeral and fund the Rolls-Royce that the queen wheels up everywhere in

when they could spend it on the fifth of the population that live below the poverty line??

if that's not enough of a reason to vote yes then

also please understand that voting yes doesn't mean you're supporting alex salmond and/or SNP. the referendum vote is for independence and there will be a later vote to decide what party you support. many are green yes.

thats a weak reason to leave if u dont like the party in power cause they can easily be replaced next elections

Its gotta be the system in general that i wouldnt like about a the country or cultural bickering

Like here in Canada. Quebec been trying to leave for ever. Last time the referemdom was 49% in favor :ohno:

[StrawberryBlond 15,569]

I won't be defending the badly executed trams project but yes, I'd rather be a part of this country than of the UK with the situation I described before.

I'm not interested in the possibility of a privatised NHS or having to pay for my tuition fees. I'm not interested in being under the rule of a government I didn't vote in, that fails to meet its aims miserably, that would rather spend money on nuclear bombs than on the poor, that introduced the bedroom tax......... the list goes on.

I've yet to see an argument of the No campaign that actually holds any standing

 

And I'm yet to see an argument of the yes campaign that holds any standing. All their claims seem based on fantasy, gullability and lies. I am shocked that the yes campaign has gained so much traction as not one of their proposals holds up in reality. While their "facts" seem to be pulled out of thin air, the no campaign focuses on proper facts supported by experts in the respective field. I've not seen one big co-orportion, economic expert or oil tycoon predict positive change for Scotland in the event of independence. Businesses are saying their prices will rise for Scottish customers and some claim to move their HQ to England, economic experts have warned that our taxes will rise, important services will suffer cuts and jobs will be lost and oil tycoons have stated that North Sea Oil is running out, reached its peak in 1999, has had deficets in 20 out of 21 years and will be lucky if it still has 40 more years of production left.

 

What part of this isn't sinking in for the yes campaign? There's too much voting with the heart going on. The great thing about being a no voter is that you know exactly what you'll get if you win: keeping within the union. In other words, everything remains the same as it was before, with us no better or worse off. But yes voters will only get one thing guranteed if they win - independence. But a yes vote is about a whole lot more than just independence: it wants massive changes that they want to see delivered. But this is politicians we're talking about. They lie, change their policies and don't deliver on promises. And no matter who we vote for, nothing ever changes, but we keep on thinking this new one will be different. At least when we had bad PM's before, we were all in one big boat, so suffering was spread out evenly. Under an independent Scotland, we will feel the full force of any bad political decisions. The good decisions could prove fruitful, but the bad decisions will be devastating. I wouldn't want to risk throwing away our strong union for all these uncertainties and promises that won't be delivered. What fascinates me is that yes voters don't seem the least bit concerned about any potential downfalls of independence and some even think there won't be any. I've yet to encounter a yes voter who states: "I'm voting yes, but I understand that I'm making a massive gamble and independence might not work out, but I'm prepared to take that risk." Something, anything, that suggests they realise that going it alone is risky, but, no. There's no thought given to worst possible scenarios and risk assessments. And you can't go into independence with this kind of naivety.

[Better Day 5,766]

you do realise that Scottish MP's are included in Westminster

Scotland is no different to the UK, and the government probably won't be able to afford tuition fee's.

you literally sound so brainwashed, and if anyone is scaremongering it's you.

Yeah, we have no say in Westminister, we haven't done for a long time,

[Better Day 5,766]

"The UK might be a rich country... For the Rich yes

As the saying goes - the rich gets richer and the poorer gets poorer"

So you make things worse for the rich and business in Scotland - and all your brightest and best move to London. Your bank head offices definitely will. Anyone big in music or acting will still be moving to England for their career and pay taxes there, Iespecially if the rate is lower.

The problem is Capitalism doesn't work, It hasn't done for a long time. Capitalism leaves the elite richer and the far too many poor, I don't want to live in a country like that. I would consider myself a socialist, I think if SNP was elected 2016 they would start eradicate Child Poverty, Yeah it won't be solved over night, but it is more likely to be helped in a independent Scotland than in Westminister, As long as the first Government does not waste like Westminister does

[Echo 327]

Can't wait to hear the final verdict Friday!

[hughdancy 282]

I won't be defending the badly executed trams project but yes, I'd rather be a part of this country than of the UK with the situation I described before.

I'm not interested in the possibility of a privatised NHS or having to pay for my tuition fees. I'm not interested in being under the rule of a government I didn't vote in, that fails to meet its aims miserably, that would rather spend money on nuclear bombs than on the poor, that introduced the bedroom tax......... the list goes on.

I've yet to see an argument of the No campaign that actually holds any standing

How about... if the NHS gets privatised whoever gets in government next will IMMEDIATELY reverse it, and the current government is not going to last forever.

 

Becoming independent to get away from a 4 year government is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

[craig 680]

Yeah, we have no say in Westminister, we haven't done for a long time,

Blair and Brown were both Scotsmen, with massive Scottish support, and ruled from 1997--2010.

Last election Scottish votes made the difference in denying the Conservatives a majority.

[Better Day 5,766]

Blair and Brown were both Scotsmen, with massive Scottish support, and ruled from 1997--2010.

Last election Scottish votes made the difference in denying the Conservatives a majority.

Yeah, still didn't stop the tories coming into power, A Government we never voted for

[What 4]

Part of me wants them to leave cause they're so arrogant and I wanna see them fall, and part of me wants them to stay cause I can't imagine scotland being independent

[FKAJAKE 5]

Yeah, still didn't stop the tories coming into power, A Government we never voted for

 

We as the UK did vote for them though, and they have done a lot to help this country economically. Yeah sure an independent Scottish government could reduce child poverty, but at what cost? where will it get the funds? north sea oil? what about health care, public transport, education and other public sector services. Working people could very well see a huge rise in taxes to fund the new Scotland, but I guess it doesn't matter as long as the statistics look good. You can't make it better for everyone, and with limited funds the government will not have the money to hand out to everyone who is unemployed.

Part of me wants them to leave cause they're so arrogant and I wanna see them fall, and part of me wants them to stay cause I can't imagine scotland being independent

 

I agree with the first park, but I want them to stay for all the people who vote no and realise how risky it is, they don't deserve unemployment and poverty if they used their vote wisely.

[Benji 20,113]

Part of me wants them to leave cause they're so arrogant and I wanna see them fall, and part of me wants them to stay cause I can't imagine scotland being independent

I don't want them to go independent for everyone's sake but I would love to watch Scotland crumble in its arrogance too :rip:

[Economy 52,861]

The problem is Capitalism doesn't work, It hasn't done for a long time. Capitalism leaves the elite richer and the far too many poor, I don't want to live in a country like that. I would consider myself a socialist, I think if SNP was elected 2016 they would start eradicate Child Poverty, Yeah it won't be solved over night, but it is more likely to be helped in a independent Scotland than in Westminister, As long as the first Government does not waste like Westminister does

if Capitalism doesnt work why was the US doing better in the past over-all (with the exeption of the 1930s) when it used to be more Capitalist?

Why is Switzerland considered by many the most Calitalist place on Earth yet it is thriving so much?

Why is socialist Europe (Greece, Italy, France) in the doldrums?

Socialism is worse. U discourage entrepreneurship or business investment to create jobs, and u encourage abuse of welfare system (ex: 1 in 5 people of working age in Norway are on welfare or disability. Theyd be screwed if it wasnt for oil!)

[paul 687]

And I'm yet to see an argument of the yes campaign that holds any standing. All their claims seem based on fantasy, gullability and lies. I am shocked that the yes campaign has gained so much traction as not one of their proposals holds up in reality. While their "facts" seem to be pulled out of thin air, the no campaign focuses on proper facts supported by experts in the respective field. I've not seen one big co-orportion, economic expert or oil tycoon predict positive change for Scotland in the event of independence. Businesses are saying their prices will rise for Scottish customers and some claim to move their HQ to England, economic experts have warned that our taxes will rise, important services will suffer cuts and jobs will be lost and oil tycoons have stated that North Sea Oil is running out, reached its peak in 1999, has had deficets in 20 out of 21 years and will be lucky if it still has 40 more years of production left.

 

What part of this isn't sinking in for the yes campaign? There's too much voting with the heart going on. The great thing about being a no voter is that you know exactly what you'll get if you win: keeping within the union. In other words, everything remains the same as it was before, with us no better or worse off. But yes voters will only get one thing guranteed if they win - independence. But a yes vote is about a whole lot more than just independence: it wants massive changes that they want to see delivered. But this is politicians we're talking about. They lie, change their policies and don't deliver on promises. And no matter who we vote for, nothing ever changes, but we keep on thinking this new one will be different. At least when we had bad PM's before, we were all in one big boat, so suffering was spread out evenly. Under an independent Scotland, we will feel the full force of any bad political decisions. The good decisions could prove fruitful, but the bad decisions will be devastating. I wouldn't want to risk throwing away our strong union for all these uncertainties and promises that won't be delivered. What fascinates me is that yes voters don't seem the least bit concerned about any potential downfalls of independence and some even think there won't be any. I've yet to encounter a yes voter who states: "I'm voting yes, but I understand that I'm making a massive gamble and independence might not work out, but I'm prepared to take that risk." Something, anything, that suggests they realise that going it alone is risky, but, no. There's no thought given to worst possible scenarios and risk assessments. And you can't go into independence with this kind of naivety.

 

I’m actually creasing that you think your facts are more legitimate, are you seriously trying to turn a blind eye to all of the scaremongering propaganda and INSANELY disproportionate lines that the no campaign has been spreading? they leap from one ridiculous lie to the next, once the previous has been disproved. literally, go look it up. you may say scotland is being too ambitious and is unprepared, but at least the yes campaign isn’t actually LYING.

 

they wouldn't even let those kids say they were Yes voters on national TV, that's how corrupt, desperate and biased everything is.

 

the bottom line: we at least have a chance for change if we become independent. remaining in the union can only bring further negative impact on scotland.

Part of me wants them to leave cause they're so arrogant and I wanna see them fall, and part of me wants them to stay cause I can't imagine scotland being independent

 

it's arrogant to want change for your country, that we're clearly not getting in the current union? I don't think I've ever read anything so ridiculous

thats a weak reason to leave if u dont like the party in power cause they can easily be replaced next elections

Its gotta be the system in general that i wouldnt like about a the country or cultural bickering

Like here in Canada. Quebec been trying to leave for ever. Last time the referemdom was 49% in favor

 

you think we should stay, when a party like UKIP is gaining so much in popularity and likely to be elected? we would never be able to “easily replace†the current government with one we actually support.

How about... if the NHS gets privatised whoever gets in government next will IMMEDIATELY reverse it, and the current government is not going to last forever.

 

Becoming independent to get away from a 4 year government is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

uh....or we could just avoid it being privatised in the first place, with no mess to clean up? the fact that they intend to in the first place is saying a lot. and people will still vote them in, unfortunately, time and time again. so forgive us for not wanting to sit through the current cycle of "messes" and "clean up" government eras and try and make a go of things with our own government