I Love The Impact Both Born This Way & ARTPOP Had/Have

[Willy Wonka 4]

I agree that BTW had a truly admirable and palpable impact throughout society.

[Tropico 4,145]

1. I know, but I still don't believe that was much if a focus/held that much importance during the campaign. Thematically, ARTPOP was not clear and had no real focus. And that is okay, she really is allowed to just put out a disc with songs on it, but she and certain fans keep trying to convince everyone that there was a grand plan for it. "It could mean anything" basically means nothing, sadly.

2. I know. I said it was good that it impacted fans. But in your OP you stated that both BTW and AP caused "ripples in society", and I don't think AP did at all.

1. It's so foolish to say ARTPOP had no theme or "It could mean anything means nothing". The theme has always been puting art into pop. End of story. Period. Then it was done. Final answer. That's it. See: SXSW performance of swine

VMA's 2013

Album cover

G.U.Y. Video with the "Yellow" recration.

It's soooo annoying that people who don't understand the album say it has no theme.

2. Since when aren't fans apart of society? And besides being a part of the Louvre makes ripples in the world of art which is all under society.

[Ethan 2,051]

I hope ARTPOP had this underground breakthrough and becomes a revolution.

Probably won't happen but I hope it would so all these haters stop hating all of her albums have had their each standout impact on me, and that's all I think that matters to gaga, is that someone out there, if it means 5 people, or 50000 people, that hopefully they'll be impacted by their work. Give it time, she'll shine.

[Chromatislaps 34,851]

The Fame inspired me the most out of any of her albums tbh.

it must have inspired people with the motto: "lets have some fun this beat is sick, I wanna take a ride on your discostick" I reckon

[eifulien 2,967]

Did you quote the right person? I didn't say ARTPOP wasn't impactful.

Yes, but I didn't explain to you that I use your statement to prove the members who disregrded ARTPOP's impact. Sorry, mate!   

[Harry 26,836]

1. It's so foolish to say ARTPOP had no theme or "It could mean anything means nothing". The theme has always been puting art into pop. End of story. Period. Then it was done. Final answer. That's it. See: SXSW performance of swine

VMA's 2013

Album cover

G.U.Y. Video with the "Yellow" recration.

It's soooo annoying that people who don't understand the album say it has no theme.

2. Since when aren't fans apart of society? And besides being a part of the Louvre makes ripples in the world of art which is all under society.

..... That's an extremely tenuous theme. Especially since Gaga has been combining art with music since day one, and has always encouraged creativity and eccentricities. The point is that ARTPOP - the album - doesn't follow this idea. I love it, but let's not try and play it up for more than it is. It's coming off as very pretentious and this is why people hate Gaga fans.

Yeah that's true. But I'm part of society and I've had an impact on my friends and family. Does that mean I've made "ripples"? In which case is it that much of an achievement? Yeah she was in the Louvre and that's amazing, but the art community nowadays is not a huge one, and that didn't really attract that much attention on a widespread level. Mostly cos it was Robert Wilson's work, she was the model.

Jay Z performed with Marina Abramovic, does the art world see him as making "ripples"? I don't think so. Most people within the art world still see Gaga as a gimmick. It's sad, but they do. She didn't actually have much of an impact this time round.

[Antichrist 9,818]

Umm just because their fans doesn't mean they aren't people. And if people are impacted then people are impacted. And it's quite rude of you to say "'impacted' "

And how about the impact on the world of art? She left a huge mark there. She was in the Louvre for God's sake.

I never said fans aren't people It's ridiculous to measure her 'impact' by fans, it's obvious an impact will be left on them, ****s sake that's what makes them fans

 

ARTPOP had hardly any impact. Just because she was in a Louvre, doesn't mean ARTPOP had godly impact on the world of art.

[Tropico 4,145]

..... That's an extremely tenuous theme. Especially since Gaga has been combining art with music since day one, and has always encouraged creativity and eccentricities. The point is that ARTPOP - the album - doesn't follow this idea. I love it, but let's not try and play it up for more than it is. It's coming off as very pretentious and this is why people hate Gaga fans.

Yeah that's true. But I'm part of society and I've had an impact on my friends and family. Does that mean I've made "ripples"? In which case is it that much of an achievement? Yeah she was in the Louvre and that's amazing, but the art community nowadays is not a huge one, and that didn't really attract that much attention on a widespread level. Mostly cos it was Robert Wilson's work, she was the model.

Jay Z performed with Marina Abramovic, does the art world see him as making "ripples"? I don't think so. Most people within the art world still see Gaga as a gimmick. It's sad, but they do. She didn't actually have much of an impact this time round.

Yes Gaga has been combining art and pop since day 1 but with the ARTPOP project it was her central focus. In past eras there was less art references and sometimes nothing at all because she had other goals in mind like showing the dark side of fame or encouraging one to love themself. But now it's her central focus and she can put more effort into it (and she's clearly passionate about doing so). Like, for example, are you gonna come down on Gaga for doing a jazz album because she's had jazz influence since forever yet she made it her central focus for one album? If yes then I can't even imagine how that makes sense. If no then why do so with ARTPOP? And it's not pretentious if it's true. The album was apart of her vision. Then the whole era mixed with it and that's why it is the ARTPOP Project in my eyes. And who cares what people think? They don't even know Gaga's name but they're so quick to judge her and her fans? Psh.

And actually yes, you have caused ripples... Just very small ones. Gaga has created massive ones. True the art communities are smaller... But far more respectable because it isn't all about charts and sales. Gaga has gained the respect of Marina Abramovic (pardon the spelling) and she is referred to as "The Grandmother Of Performance Art". That's huge.

And with Jay Z... It's just like Gaga... Everyone expects a mainstream artist to be all about money instead of seeing their true intentions. But Gaga clearly pushed harder for her artistic vision than Jay Z.

[Tropico 4,145]

I never said fans aren't people It's ridiculous to measure her 'impact' by fans, it's obvious an impact will be left on them, ****s sake that's what makes them fans

ARTPOP had hardly any impact. Just because she was in a Louvre, doesn't mean ARTPOP had godly impact on the world of art.

Regardless of fans or not it's still IMPACT and an impact worth noting because of what it did... Some people found a natural talent for art.

And the art world is far more respectable than pop culture (which seems to be the only type of thing you consider to be worth noting in terms of impact ). She gained the respect of internationally successful artist Jeff Koons which is may more important than #1 on the pop charts.

[Antichrist 9,818]

Regardless of fans or not it's still IMPACT and an impact worth noting because of what it did... Some people found a natural talent for art.

And the art world is far more respectable than pop culture (which seems to be the only type of thing you consider to be worth noting in terms of impact ). She gained the respect of internationally successful artist Jeff Koons which is may more important than #1 on the pop charts.

The fact that she's sadly mostly seen as a gimmick in art world isn't much of an impact, is it.

[Harry 26,836]

Yes Gaga has been combining art and pop since day 1 but with the ARTPOP project it was her central focus. In past eras there was less art references and sometimes nothing at all because she had other goals in mind like showing the dark side of fame or encouraging one to love themself. But now it's her central focus and she can put more effort into it (and she's clearly passionate about doing so). Like, for example, are you gonna come down on Gaga for doing a jazz album because she's had jazz influence since forever yet she made it her central focus for one album? If yes then I can't even imagine how that makes sense. If no then why do so with ARTPOP? And it's not pretentious if it's true. The album was apart of her vision. Then the whole era mixed with it and that's why it is the ARTPOP Project in my eyes. And who cares what people think? They don't even know Gaga's name but they're so quick to judge her and her fans? Psh.

And actually yes, you have caused ripples... Just very small ones. Gaga has created massive ones. True the art communities are smaller... But far more respectable because it isn't all about charts and sales. Gaga has gained the respect of Marina Abramovic (pardon the spelling) and she is referred to as "The Grandmother Of Performance Art". That's huge.

And with Jay Z... It's just like Gaga... Everyone expects a mainstream artist to be all about money instead of seeing their true intentions. But Gaga clearly pushed harder for her artistic vision than Jay Z.

I'm not coming down on Gaga... I already said that I think the album is great and I enjoyed her experimentation in art. Believe it or not, you can be a fan and still have critiques. And in my opinion, I don't think the concept of ARTPOP was executed as well as it could have been. If you don't like that I feel that way, get over it. It's just how I feel.

You need to be a little clearer. Firstly, Gaga's impact is important because it's on a massive scale and she's caused ripples etc, but then you say who cares what people think? In that case, doesn't your entire point fall flat?

Jay Z had art references on his last album and worked with Marina much like Gaga did. :shrug:

[Harry 26,836]

Regardless of fans or not it's still IMPACT and an impact worth noting because of what it did... Some people found a natural talent for art.

And the art world is far more respectable than pop culture (which seems to be the only type of thing you consider to be worth noting in terms of impact ). She gained the respect of internationally successful artist Jeff Koons which is may more important than #1 on the pop charts.

In legitimate art circles, Koons is seen as the art equivalent of film's Adam Sandler. People laughed at Gaga when she worked with him because he's an obvious choice. The album cover was cool and all, but he's not that loved.

I noticed earlier you shaded Katy and her chart success, but now you're passing Koons off as a point in your argument because he's "internationally successful"? Come on.

I'm getting real tired of all these monsters that seem to have graduated from the Gaga School of Art and think they know it all :rip:

[Tropico 4,145]

In legitimate art circles, Koons is seen as the art equivalent of film's Adam Sandler. People laughed at Gaga when she worked with him because he's an obvious choice. The album cover was cool and all, but he's not that loved.

I noticed earlier you shaded Katy and her chart success, but now you're passing Koons off as a point in your argument because he's "internationally successful"? Come on.

I'm getting real tired of all these monsters that seem to have graduated from the Gaga School of Art and think they know it all

I did not once say I know it all or even implied that. :excuseme:

And that wasn't shade... I was pointing out Katy's success and saying that's all good and well but it isn't the most important thing in the world.

[Tropico 4,145]

I'm not coming down on Gaga... I already said that I think the album is great and I enjoyed her experimentation in art. Believe it or not, you can be a fan and still have critiques. And in my opinion, I don't think the concept of ARTPOP was executed as well as it could have been. If you don't like that I feel that way, get over it. It's just how I feel.

You need to be a little clearer. Firstly, Gaga's impact is important because it's on a massive scale and she's caused ripples etc, but then you say who cares what people think? In that case, doesn't your entire point fall flat?

Jay Z had art references on his last album and worked with Marina much like Gaga did.

Uhh I was just explaining the concept... What do I have to get over? A lot of assumptions are being made...

And I thought it was self-explanatory enough but here let me break it down for you... I said Gaga's caused ripples in society. And that's amazing. But it's the part of society she's impacted. That's what's really important... Then when I said "who cares what people think" I wasn't of course talking about ALL people but the opinion of those who brush off Gaga without knowing her at all. And the thread is ORIGINALLY about how she succeded with the concepts of her album and how it has had an impact... I never mentioned the charts or pop culture... That was just pulled out of no where by chart obsessers...

And I just said Gaga put in more effort with the art and pop combination. Not saying Jay's work was pointless or not good at all.

[Rome 176]

The impact of ARTPOP is bigger than life