Prometheus 1,494 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Let me explain. At referendum we voted for federalisation. That means we wanted to be part of ukraine, but with our own land, goverment, rights etc. Just like Germany. It's one country, but many lands with their own rights. But the thing is - it didn't suit goverment in kiev, 'cause most of money they had over here + it would be harder for nato to build their bases here (closer to russia). So they called us separatists and brought ukrainan army here. My friend decided to join ukrainian army (since he was for maidan). A month later, when army were shooting innocents, he called his mother and said "They're telling us to kill innocents, but some of us refused. Now they're taking us away to kill us" and from that time I haven't heard from him. Later, in city, which got "freed" from "separatists" civilians don't greet army with flowers, but with hate. Don't know why? + We're not separatits. We fight for our rights you mean "america" Sounds a lot like Germany wanting to regain the traditionally German people other countries. That led to a World War. Your hate of America is unsupported and lacks any sort of depth. Please revise and get back to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus 1,494 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Disrespectful won't even BEGIN to describe you for posting that picture. How DARE you use that poor deceased woman for your own propaganda. You are a disgusting human being and I hope you realize how flawed your thinking is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Sounds a lot like Germany wanting to regain the traditionally German people other countries. That led to a World War. What the **** are you talking about? MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Don't get fooled by this guy he just registered an hour ago and all of his posts about how Russia is great... just goggle "paid Russian commentators" and you should get the point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades can you search his IP and see whether he lives in Russia or Ukraine, he claims to live in Donetsk (Ukraine). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus 1,494 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 What the **** are you talking about? I was noting something in general. Germany wanted to reclaim the historically German people of the surrounding countries, so they went out to do that, which led to WWII. That's what we were taught. Russia said they want to reclaim the historically Slavic people in Ukraine (if I remember correctly). I was saying how it reminded me of something that added to WWII. I have nothing against Germany. Not at all. If that's why you were upset I apologize. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael 533 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Just terrible. :( R.I.P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ok now I am legit in tears. People bringing flowers to the Dutch ambassy in Kiev. It's very real, so unfair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatfoxyfeeling 13,401 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I can't believe it, this can lead to something worse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 last time I checked, murica brought democracy to Lybia, Syria, Afghan, Iran, Iraq and now, suddenly, they support ukraine Kinda true I get why people hate the US, especially for the mess they've played a big role in in the Middle East. Mainly supporting Israel and their actions in Iraq and Afghanistan... But this thread isn't about the US. Russia is probably the bad boy, at least, that seems the most assumable. Propaganda is much more common in Russia and Ukraine than it is in West-Europe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Transcript from seperatists, allegedly. transcript of discussion By Solitudes on Thursday, Jul 17th 2014 19:48Z “Majorâ€: These are Chernukhin folks show down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino. “Grekâ€: Yes, Major. "Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200†(code word for dead person). We have found the first “200â€. A Civilian. “Majorâ€: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft. “Greekâ€: What kind of aircraft? “Majorâ€: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies. “Greekâ€: Is there anything left of the weapon? “Majorâ€: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper. http://avherald.com/h?article=47770f9d&opt=0 Very trustworthy site. Edited July 17, 2014 by MonsterMum Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziva 193 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ok now I am legit in tears. People bringing flowers to the Dutch ambassy in Kiev. It's very real, so unfair. I heard this on the news! :Emo: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teo 609 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 This is so terrible. So sad... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatfoxyfeeling 13,401 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So who was it that shot the plane down? This is really concerning... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ok now I am legit in tears. People bringing flowers to the Dutch ambassy in Kiev. It's very real, so unfair. To think only ~30 Dutch people died, while thousands of Russians and Ukrainians have died :cry: and they're giving flowers to the ~30 Dutch people rather than us giving flowers for them.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 To think only ~30 Dutch people died, while thousands of Russians and Ukrainians have died :cry: and they're giving flowers to the ~30 Dutch people rather than us giving flowers for them.. They claim it's more then 75 now, Dutch I mean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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