Those Hyped Up with C2C because of potential success (ranty post)

[Guest]

Cheek to Cheek is not going to be about commercial success, it's going to be about her getting the appreciation from critics that she deserved. It will set her up very well for her next album because it will leave a good taste in their mouths after most critics didn't like ARTPOP.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

I like what you said about the BTW era, everyone thought it flopped until AP came out

[StefJAGermanotta 2]

I'm genuinely excited for the album. A jazz album from Gaga is something I will absolutely cherish. It is so refreshing and will be an incredible opportunity for her to showcase her talents as a vocalist. I'll be buying the album and I'll be frequenting these forums even if C2C and her next album turn out like Bionic and Lotus anyway.

Obviously the critics are going to suck her metaphorical dick on this album though

ARTPOP is a flop because that makes for a good story. The biggest star on the planet and now she is a complete flop! Katy Perry is the new queen of pop and Gaga is over! She sold 1 million copies of Born This Way in the first week, there was no way she could achieve that hype again. In retrospect it is obvious that they would talk about her downfall.

 

It doesn't make a good story to start trashing Jazz legend Tony Bennett. The most logical place for them to go is to praise the album. I can see the headlines already "Gaga's most shocking album yet! An album of Jazz standards!". Critics will basically jizz themselves over the prospect of Gaga showcasing herself as a pure Jazz vocalist.

 

It also becomes a lot harder in the future for them to label Gaga as a flop. Her sales will seem more consistent from now on. C2C will likely reach #1. Then you have a situation where Gaga's past 3 albums have reached #1. It becomes a lot harder to dismiss her as a fad or as "over" once she has achieved a feat like that. 

 

So true, no critic would trash Tony Bennett.  however, they can be jerks and say they don't know why Bennett would deign to sing with Gaga, if you know what I mean.  I've been reading so many nasty articles about Gaga that I won't be surprised, it's very saddening and sickening.

 

The important thing is that Gaga enjoyed her work with and loves Tony so the album will mean a lot to her and her LMs.  It's great that Gaga can finally unleash her full vocal potential which is frankly very exciting.

[FGGrayson 9,670]

I feel like this is how its going to go. 

1) OMG, C2C is going to be Gaga's comeback. She is gonna slay yaaaass.

2) Album release: OMG, its her best album!! She slayed so much.

3) Doesnt do as well commercially and critically: OMG, I miss fun pop Gaga. ARTPOP at least was fun, and not boring like C2C. At least she had one hit single like Applause. 

4) I miss the chart success.....ooppps... I mean the music and style of TF. 

 

 

 

OMG, this 

[blacklistedd 599]

I will agree in that fans seem to be trying to hype this up like they always do and therein lies why Gaga has such significant downfalls with "fans" when she doesn't own the world like she did in 2009. I think this is nothing more than a cool side project and on a positive note I hope and I think everyone should hope it will get critical success because only in critical success will she get redemption, the GP will follow suit. I think its pretty obvious this album will only attain so much success, especially when it comes to whatever single they choose and with an album like this a "single" is not a "single" in the way pop stans view "singles". If you get me.

[blacklistedd 599]

C2C will likely reach #1.

 

 

Why is that likely? Tony's Duets album sold well because its a compilation of a plethora of artists that many different people would be interested in hearing. This is just purely him and Gaga and I don't think in general that many people will feel inclined to purchase it for it to reach #1, even his own fans. And you know her fans aren't all going to buy this thing. So I think a low Top 10 debut would be a sufficient guesstimate.

[Bebe 17,093]

Why is that likely? Tony's Duets album sold well because its a compilation of a plethora of artists that many different people would be interested in hearing. This is just purely him and Gaga and I don't think in general that many people will feel inclined to purchase it for it to reach #1, even his own fans. And you know her fans aren't all going to buy this thing. So I think a low Top 10 debut would be a sufficient guesstimate.

If Tony's English, Spanish and Portuguese album can reach #5 in the US I have confidence in this project. Tony is a big seller, Gaga is a big seller. I think there will be a fraction of Gaga fans that won't buy the album but not a lot of Jazz fans will be put of by Gaga imo.

I have confidence that it will reach #1. If two big stars can't reach a #1 peak than nobody can.

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If Tony's English, Spanish and Portuguese album can reach #5 in the US I have confidence in this project. Tony is a big seller, Gaga is a big seller. I think there will be a fraction of Gaga fans that won't buy the album but not a lot of Jazz fans will be put of by Gaga imo.

I have confidence that it will reach #1. If two big stars can't reach a #1 peak than nobody can.

 

Like I said, his previous album went to the top of the charts because it was a Duet compilation with numerous stars that people would take interest in. His other albums are solely him which of course appeals to his devoted fanbase. An album with Lady Gaga, however, will be divisive and probably won't result in big buys by both his and our fanbase. A #1 debut is not even remotely realistic.

[Bebe 17,093]

Like I said, his previous album went to the top of the charts because it was a Duet compilation with numerous stars that people would take interest in. His other albums are solely him which of course appeals to his devoted fanbase. An album with Lady Gaga, however, will be divisive and probably won't result in big buys by both his and our fanbase. A #1 debut is not even remotely realistic.

 

We will see won't we? I understand people might buy his albums for his one duet with Amy or Norah Jones but I think you are underestimating Tony's fanbase. Not many people can score a top five album with an album full of Spanish and Portuguese songs but Tony managed it.

I also think you are overestimating the negative impact Gaga will have on sales. Tony has worked with her before and her name alone will bring interest to the project.

We could go back and forth on this all day, but frankly all this is speculation. Bookmark this if you want. I am still extremely confident that this Jazz album is reaching a #1 peak.

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If Tony's English, Spanish and Portuguese album can reach #5 in the US I have confidence in this project. Tony is a big seller, Gaga is a big seller. I think there will be a fraction of Gaga fans that won't buy the album but not a lot of Jazz fans will be put of by Gaga imo.

I have confidence that it will reach #1. If two big stars can't reach a #1 peak than nobody can.

 

The Spanish and Portuguese album was again an album of duets with several major recording artists with their own fan bases, except this time they were from the Latin market. There is still a huge audience that buys records for Spanish language music in this country, so it's not surprising that fans of those artists would propel it to #1. C2C, on the other hand, only features duets with one artist and thus has a much smaller base of buyers to pull from, making it less likely that it would perform as well as the albums with several artists do.

[blacklistedd 599]

We will see won't we? I understand people might buy his albums for his one duet with Amy or Norah Jones but I think you are underestimating Tony's fanbase. Not many people can score a top five album with an album full of Spanish and Portuguese songs but Tony managed it.

I also think you are overestimating the negative impact Gaga will have on sales. Tony has worked with her before and her name alone will bring interest to the project.

We could go back and forth on this all day, but frankly all this is speculation. Bookmark this if you want. I am still extremely confident that this Jazz album is reaching a #1 peak.

 

Im not so much saying that Gaga will have a negative impact on sales. I think she'll definitely garner some interest. I just don't think she'll garner #1 album interest and I find it a little delusional that you would think so, not to be offensive to you. Its not personal. But I do think thats not at all realistic.

[Bebe 17,093]

The Spanish and Portuguese album was again an album of duets with several major recording artists with their own fan bases, except this time they were from the Latin market. There is still a huge audience that buys records for Spanish language music in this country, so it's not surprising that fans of those artists would propel it to #1. C2C, on the other hand, only features duets with one artist and thus has a much smaller base of buyers to pull from, making it less likely that it would perform as well as the albums with several artists do.

I'm aware that it was it was an album of duets. I think that would be obvious from the title "Viva Duets".

There are advantages and disadvantages to having an album of duets with one other person rather than multiple but I think the advantages outweigh the negatives.

I wouldn't buy Duets II for the one Gaga feature but I'm sure as hell going to buy Cheek to Cheek. Tony has been building a rather strong and loyal fanbase and It is extremely unfair to assume he is only selling well because of his features.

Tony is a big seller and is likely to propel the album high up the charts. Gaga is also a big seller and is likely to propel the album high up the charts.

This isn't really the same as a duets album. This is a Tony Bennett album, that Tony Bennett Jazz fans will buy and it is also a Lady Gaga album that Lady Gaga fans will buy.

It is also an album that will garner a lot of press and interest and it is coming in September in a year that isn't as crowded as last year. Unless Adele, Madonna or Rihanna decide they are going to drop an album on the same date I don't think there will be very much competition from other big names.

If this album was coming last year, I would probably be a little more skeptical. But at this point we are less at risk of Eminem, Justin Timberlake, Drake, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Lorde, Beyonce jumping out at us with a release of their own and crowding the music place.

Im not so much saying that Gaga will have a negative impact on sales. I think she'll definitely garner some interest. I just don't think she'll garner #1 album interest and I find it a little delusional that you would think so, not to be offensive to you. Its not personal. But I do think thats not at all realistic.

Again, we will see. There isn't much point in going back and forth and saying the same thing but I think you will be genuinely surprised by the album's commercial performance.

[blacklistedd 599]

I'm aware that it was it was an album of duets. I think that would be obvious from the title "Viva Duets".

There are advantages and disadvantages to having an album of duets with one other person rather than multiple but I think the advantages outweigh the negatives.

I wouldn't buy Duets II for the one Gaga feature but I'm sure as hell going to buy Cheek to Cheek. Tony has been building a rather strong and loyal fanbase and It is extremely unfair to assume he is only selling well because of his features.

Tony is a big seller and is likely to propel the album high up the charts. Gaga is also a big seller and is likely to propel the album high up the charts.

This isn't really the same as a duets album. This is a Tony Bennett album, that Tony Bennett Jazz fans will buy and it is also a Lady Gaga album that Lady Gaga fans will buy.

It is also an album that will garner a lot of press and interest and it is coming in September in a year that isn't as crowded as last year. Unless Adele, Madonna or Rihanna decide they are going to drop an album on the same date I don't think there will be very much competition from other big names.

If this album was coming last year, I would probably be a little more skeptical. But at this point we are less at risk of Eminem, Justin Timberlake, Drake, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, Lorde, Beyonce  jumping out at us with a release of their own and crowding the music place.

Again, we will see. There isn't much point in going back and forth and saying the same thing but I think you will be genuinely surprised by the album's commercial performance.

 

Gaga isn't that big of an album seller anymore

Not all Lady Gaga fans will buy this album because they're not that loyal

I think the album will probably go Top 10 but #1 is clearly too much

I think you're kind of delusional, sorry.

[Bebe 17,093]

Gaga isn't that big of an album seller anymore

Not all Lady Gaga fans will buy this album because they're not that loyal

I think the album will probably go Top 10 but #1 is clearly too much

I think you're kind of delusional, sorry.

 

You have already stated that. Let's stop with the circles.

 

I think you are delusional and buy too much into what tabloids say to get clicks.

Gaga might not be selling 1 million copies a week but she still has strong sales behind her that will also compliment Tony's strong sales. End of.

End of discussion.

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It is also an album that will garner a lot of press and interest and it is coming in September in a year that isn't as crowded as last year. Unless Adele, Madonna or Rihanna decide they are going to drop an album on the same date I don't think there will be very much competition from other big names.

If this album was coming last year, I would probably be a little more skeptical. But at this point we are less at risk of Eminem, Justin Timberlake, Drake, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, Lorde, Beyonce  jumping out at us with a release of their own and crowding the music place.

 

 

It's going to be a really crowded fall, though - Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Susan Boyle, Take That, One Direction, Barbra Streisand, Michael Buble, Olly Murs, Adele, Madonna, U2, and Gwen Stefani are all believed to be releasing in Q4. Without a strong lead single (which it won't have - top 40 will never play a full out jazz song no matter how good it is), I worry that it'll get swamped by one of the other big releases. I'm sure it will sell well, but it would be really tough to get #1 against this competition.