Cody Draco 2,531 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Doesn't matter how connected she is to them. That doesn't make them factually good. They're crap. I will discredit ARTPOP, for good reason. She can do a lot better, and has done in the past. What does "factually good" mean? :excuseme: Your opinion on ARTPOP or any other album is not fact. Where are the facts that an album (ARTPOP in particular) is good or bad? Musical taste isn't a factual thing, it is an opinion thing. I'm not coming at you for your opinion on ARTPOP or any other album. I'm coming at you for thinking your opinion is fact. :miley: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasilisVas 5,188 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 ARTPOP is awful. Easily Gaga's worst album and also her worst era. I'm here because of the brilliance of her past albums. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speechless18 2 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 AP, I think, is about Gaga being tired of putting her soul into her work (BTW), and then having it dismissed as trivial pop music. This album is her shouting to the rooftops that just because something is popular, doesn't mean it is not art or that it is a lesser art. It is essentially the anti-hipster album. Pop music is in general seen as this empty shell with no real substance. This is her middle finger to that concept. Gaga has something to say and she said it through pop music. I think it's a beautiful album. I think AP really conveys the concept well. While BTW is a phenomenal album (don't get me wrong, this album changed my life), what is the concept? Is it "Born This Way"? If so, I don't really get that from Electric Chapel, Bloody Mary, etc. I understand that an album does not need a concept to be good, but I don't think comparing these two albums will ever work. BTW is themed sonically rather than conceptually, IMO. Where AP I think is more of a concept album. To the original question, I don't think a concept album such as AP will ever be as well received as an album like BTW, where the thread that runs through the music is sonic rather than concept. So sorry for the poor construction of this post, it was a stream of consciousness. I know I've said a lot that people will disagree with, but it's simply what I think, and I know that's different than what is right, so I'm totally open to someone changing my mind! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthorn 37 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I don't think that the album would've been a--lysed so much by fans if it had been commercially successful. If this were a new artist I think that most people would be 'fan girling' so hard over this album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Draco 2,531 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 You actually made a lot of sense, I don't think your post was poorly constructed at all. Don't let insecure people make you feel like your opinions aren't right just because they are jumping on people with different opinions. Be secure with yourself and your opinions, but always be open to taking in other's opinions. Clearly you already have the right mindset when you are willing to hear other people out. :hug: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 A lot of people on this site have a problem accepting that when other people post they are posting their opinions. I don't agree with your opinions on Gaga's albums, but they are yours and I'm not going to be immature and attempt to drag you for them. I find it funny how I am a hated member on here, yet all of these people who are ganging up on you for having an opinion aren't. As far as this topic goes, I personally feel like ARTPOP is Gaga's best work because all of the tracks are enjoyable. I don't care for Donatella, Manicure, and G.U.Y, but I can still listen to them. The Fame is pre-school Gaga and is pretty much basic filler pop besides the 4 main singles. I can listen to the whole album and enjoy the songs, but when compared to the rest of Gaga's discography it is a disgrace. The Fame seems to have been made to be a watered down version of what Gaga can do as an artist, just to get her foot in the door in the industry. It worked and I respect Gaga for that but I am happy she has let her talent come through on TFM, BTW, and AP. TFM isn't her best work in my opinion because it is so short and it has blemishes such as Telephone, Speechless, and Teeth which prevent it from being perfect for me. BTW also has blemishes such as Bad Kids, Americano, BJAM, FOHL, and The Queen which prevent it from being perfect for me. All in all, despite BTW being her most creative album, ARTPOP is her best album. This is clearly my opinion not a fact. I hate how on this site people think that when I or someone else posts, we think we are posting facts. Clearly this entire post is my opinion, get over it. If you come at me like you came at Charli XCX you will just make yourselves look even more immature. Oh my god... I mean if you wanna call me out go a head. And I said Charli XCX made it seem as if what she thought was a fact. I mean really it wouldn't hurt to change the wording or add "imo". It sounded more like a declaration than an opinion. God. To really dedicate an entire part of your post as shade is really so unneccesary. But I agree with the ARTPOP thing. :gaga: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownlessking 158 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Sorry. I guess I was looking at it the wrong way. :( That's okay! I only wrote like 2 lines originally, so it would've been easy to misinterpret what I was saying. I can sometimes be Gaga's harshest critic, but that doesn't mean I dislike her or her work. At the end of the day, I love bopping to ARTPOP and I like her artistic side, and I guess that's all that matters. :heart: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructivelove 563 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Yes, am I not allowed to have a personal subjective opinion? Okay. In my opinion I don't think that the album is filled with hits. That isn't saying that the quality overall is bad, but that the public won't buy the songs to make them hits because they're not as generic as the songs being played on the radio. That's the point that I was trying to make. I never said it doesn't deserve praise, I said that it doesn't deserve to be praised any higher than it was. It was a number one album and loads of fans love it, but I don't think it deserves to hailed as a highlight of her career, because, in my opinion, it simply isn't. It is still good, though, and I like it. (Please read what I actually wrote next time before paraphrasing me, hahah). And if the last comment was referring to me, that's not the case. As I've said twice now I LIKE ARTPOP, but there are issues with the album. Intentional or not, my subjective taste feels as though it's too incoherent (in terms of sound, vocals and production), to be hailed as her greatest piece. preach. :tea: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Draco 2,531 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Oh my god... I mean if you wanna call me out go a head. And I said Charli XCX made it seem as if what she thought was a fact. I mean really it wouldn't hurt to change the wording or add "imo". It sounded more like a declaration than an opinion. God. To really dedicate an entire part of your post as shade is really so unneccesary. But I agree with the ARTPOP thing. I wasn't just shading you, I was shading the majority of this thread and this website. Get that recognition, you and ARTPOP. :whitney: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 That's okay! I only wrote like 2 lines originally, so it would've been easy to misinterpret what I was saying. I can sometimes be Gaga's harshest critic, but that doesn't mean I dislike her or her work. At the end of the day, I love bopping to ARTPOP and I like her artistic side, and I guess that's all that matters. :heart: YAAAS Give Gaga and ARTPOP ha deserved acclaim! And don't be afraid to clock ha too sometimes. :hehe: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
destructivelove 563 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 This exactly! ARTPOP is a terrible, terrible album. The lyrics are truly atrocious and the concepts are just friggin ridiculous. I'm here still because I know she's a talented lady and one day will release an album that truly represents who she is as a vocalist/writer/pianist/musician. Because se has an amazing voice, is great at piano, and has proven to write some great songs (though her lyrics get worse and worse lately). how we go from Bloody Mary and the rest of BTW, let alone TFM... To "you just had a salad today" "just ask your gay friend their advice before you get a spray tan" "slap honey on a young pancake we know how to make that money" "don't stop the party, let's keep it naughty, doing really nasty things" "love to watch her ass go wiggle" "Im gonna be MANiCUREd U wanna be mancured ma ma ma MANiCURE she wanna be mancured" Now go read a lyric sheet for BM. It's like two different Gagas. Btw had so many lyrical gems. A lot of the lyrics on this album just seem...idk...uninspired? Generic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isak 173 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It's just not as cohesive as TF, TFM, and BTW. Very fragmented and doesn't seem to carry a clear message. I don't think ARTPOP is abstract though. It has a multitude of different messages and types of sounds. They just never seem to converge into an overarching theme. ARTPOP (the song) was created early on in the conception of the album. And I remember her saying that the song was pretty much left alone and not too heavily changed. To me, ARTPOP was headed into a different direction until gears suddenly changed (or so it seems). I do like the album but it's just too fragmented to be a masterpiece like BTW. And even though BTW has dark undertones it comes full circle. I just don't feel the same about ARTPOP. I would have been totally fine if the album was an abstract clusterf*ck that makes one think more deeply about pop music. I believe the album's title track accomplishes this effortlessly. But I just don't get the "art" portion for most of the other songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Oh my god... I mean if you wanna call me out go a head. And I said Charli XCX made it seem as if what she thought was a fact. I mean really it wouldn't hurt to change the wording or add "imo". It sounded more like a declaration than an opinion. God. To really dedicate an entire part of your post as shade is really so unneccesary. People jumping out to conclusions and then trying to drag me with those 'conclusions' tho like bye you tried to drag me you and the other guy so that's what you get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 People jumping out to conclusions and then trying to drag me with those 'conclusions' tho like bye you tried to drag me you and the other guy so that's what you get Gurl it was pretty evident that you said it as if it it's a fact. Please take a seat. :later: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Gurl it was pretty evident that you said it as if it it's a fact. Please take a seat. a fact? Please point out where i said it 'evidently' as a fact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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