elixt 34 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 oh lord Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 If there would be any Pro Palestine walks closeby I would participate, unfortunately they are 3 hours drive away from me There are? in Amsterdam or Germany or where? Is that a lie? Funny how you chose to ignore the explanation of Israel's propaganda and media training too much exposé? Please, anyone who was willing to read those long-ass propagandist articles above already met my opinions before. Calling me names becuase you have no stronger argument does not make you look brighter. As a proud Zionist citizen of Middle East's greatest economy, I wanna wish you all good and that you'll soon understand whats better for you and your fellow people! Wouldn't the Middle East's greatest economy be Qatar followed by Oman, UAE, Bahrain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 There are? in Amsterdam or Germany or where? Amsterdam, Den Haag, Brussels, Paris dunno about Germany tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Lets make it clear, I don't think you are lying but I do think you missed some of the full picture. Theres was hate yesterday and I don't see any point of continuation on this topic as you are completely ignoring one side and puts all blame on another. There is no secret motive for the police to be brutal and for a cop, beating people is not that fun and easy as it seems to be. I am also supporting Gaza being set free. First from Hamas, then from Israel. I am not a scum and I feel sorry for you that you felt the need to name me so. :) Hamas is their democratically elected biggest party. Why are you for 'freeing' Gaza off them, something completely undemocratic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchwineLove 1,375 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Everybody chillllllll. I get that there's a lot going on but all I'm seeing is arguing. Let's discuss in a respectful manner please omg seeing u saying that with that profpict, lol, way to ease the tense here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchwineLove 1,375 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I wanna say things about Israel-Palestine but maybe I would sound like total stupid, first, why is Hamas considered as terrorist? isn't the Israel forming could be considered as an invasion of Palestine's area? and then as a resistance, Palestine attack represented by Hamas? and I want to know things because I get the history so scarcely, is Palestine in 1940s was owned by Britain, and then they choose to make an Israel state in their area? I mean, is Palestine a Britain's colony at first place? if yes, then why bother make endless war with Palestine to claim the land? if it is Britain's colony they would simply invade it isn't it? or because just it was right afte the end of WWII, the invasion would not be appropriate? so sorry if my questions sounds so silly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Funny how you chose to ignore the explanation of Israel's propaganda and media training too much exposé? Wouldn't the Middle East's greatest economy be Qatar followed by Oman, UAE, Bahrain? Too much lies. The only ones who are exposing themselves here are those who blindly support one side. These 4 are producing oil and their GDP per capipta numbers are inflated. Their natural resources won't last forever. However, Israel is the only OECD member in the region and has the highest standart of living in the ME. Hamas is their democratically elected biggest party. Why are you for 'freeing' Gaza off them, something completely undemocratic? Yes, Hamas was democratically elected back at 2006. Since 2006 he took control over Gaza by using force, Killed PLO's people and anyone who dared to express a political agenda that is opposed to its own. Hamas ignores Mahmood Abbas and refuses to hold legal democratic elections in the Gaza Strip since then, what results 2 Palestinian entities exsiting right now, de facto. One is controlled by Palestinian Authority (West Bank), and one is controlled by Hamas (Gaza Strip). a terror organization running a country. How absurd is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I wanna say things about Israel-Palestine but maybe I would sound like total stupid, first, why is Hamas considered as terrorist? isn't the Israel forming could be considered as an invasion of Palestine's area? and then as a resistance, Palestine attack represented by Hamas? and I want to know things because I get the history so scarcely, is Palestine in 1940s was owned by Britain, and then they choose to make an Israel state in their area? I mean, is Palestine a Britain's colony at first place? if yes, then why bother make endless war with Palestine to claim the land? if it is Britain's colony they would simply invade it isn't it? or because just it was right afte the end of WWII, the invasion would not be appropriate? so sorry if my questions sounds so silly that's exactly how it is, but the media likes to represent them as terrorists because of some criminals and 2nd, YES it was a british colony does that mean that Palestinians don't have the right to defend themselves? They want to have their land, just like when they were fighting the British people when it was a british colony. Palestinians are the people from Palestine, they have the right to fight for their land so they can have it without being controlled by some state who decided to be there just because of a book Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Those Hamas terms are extremely reasonable. Baffling how it's not accepted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Too much lies. The only ones who are exposing themselves here are those who blindly support one side. These 4 are producing oil and their GDP per capipta numbers are inflated. Their natural resources won't last forever. However, Israel is the only OECD member in the region and has the highest standart of living in the ME. Yes, Hamas was democratically elected back at 2006. Since 2006 he took control over Gaza by using force, Killed PLO's people and anyone who dared to express a political agenda that is opposed to its own. Hamas ignores Mahmood Abbas and refuses to hold legal democratic elections in the Gaza Strip since then, what results 2 Palestinian entities exsiting right now, de facto. One is controlled by Palestinian Authority (West Bank), and one is controlled by Hamas (Gaza Strip). a terror organization running a country. How absurd is that? depends how you view it. Imo Israel is more of a Terrorist state than Palestine Because it's invading a land. The territory known as 'Palestine' should be ruled by Palestinians, Not an israeli state, not even one bit of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Both sides are unsympathetic in my opinion yet I can't help but think organisations like Hamas (who apparently had links to the Muslim Brotherhood) would be better off with less strength and power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I wanna say things about Israel-Palestine but maybe I would sound like total stupid, first, why is Hamas considered as terrorist? isn't the Israel forming could be considered as an invasion of Palestine's area? and then as a resistance, Palestine attack represented by Hamas? and I want to know things because I get the history so scarcely, is Palestine in 1940s was owned by Britain, and then they choose to make an Israel state in their area? I mean, is Palestine a Britain's colony at first place? if yes, then why bother make endless war with Palestine to claim the land? if it is Britain's colony they would simply invade it isn't it? or because just it was right afte the end of WWII, the invasion would not be appropriate? so sorry if my questions sounds so silly They call Hamas terrorists because their government does. Their government calls Hamas terrorists to make the US government concerned so they'll give them extra money. The word 'terrorist' means a lot in the US. I'd honestly consider both governments (Hamas and the Israelian government) terroristic, although Israels terroristic attacks on the citizens of Gaza and Palestine have been far more successful. Palestine used to be a colony of the Brits. Before the second worldwar, there were always so-called 'zionists' who wanted to have a state for the Jews at the place where Palestine was, because it's their holy place (but at the same time it's the holy place for the Palestinians). Because after the second worldwar there was so much regret and sadness and empathy for the Jews, they 'gave' them a part of Palestine. Many Arabic countries (most) weren't happy with this at all, because they'd practically invaded a big part of Palestine. A few countries attacked Israel, which resulted in Israel getting a lot of help from the US army and using this war to play the victim and invade a large part of Palestine. With things like this, they've invaded almost all of Palestine and Gaza and pushed all the people to these now densily populated areas, with bad standards of living. Palestine and the Arabic world are still furious that Israel stole their land, and it looks like Israel is still trying to invade the last part of these countries left. How? Using exactly the same tactic: Playing the victim. Luckily for the Israeli citizens, they get a lot of help from the US government and they have a good economy. They have a good protection, too. When a rocket is fired at them, it does not hurt anybody and they could choose to ignore it. But sadly when they're hit with a rocket, they use the opportunity to fire 10 rockets at the citizens of Gaza and Palestine, and once again still playing the victim. I believe that invasion of a country is not a good thing, and that Palestine and Gaza should be protected from the terrorists that the Israeli government and a lot of their citizens are. More and more Europeans (and Americans) are starting to realize this, and hopefully the US will soon stop giving Israel so much help to invade Palestine and Gaza. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 depends how you view it. Imo Israel is more of a Terrorist state than Palestine Because it's invading a land. The territory known as 'Palestine' should be ruled by Palestinians, Not an israeli state, not even one bit of it "Palestine" is the name given by the Romans to this land. Palastinian demand for a country popped right after 1967 when Israel occupied The West Bank and The Gaza Strip from Jordan and Eygpt, respectively. They had no demands before. Open a book and educate yourself before you speak up. Your opinion doesn't because matter as of right now Israel won't be gone. The moment Palestinian leaders will accept it peace will be here in no time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereforthemusic 0 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Imo Israeli should Not exist! What they're doing to Palestine isn't fair. Killing hundred of Palestine's people everyday.. and the world isn't doing something to help them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereforthemusic 0 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 "Palestine" is the name given by the Romans to this land. Palastinian demand for a country popped right after 1967 when Israel occupied The West Bank and The Gaza Strip from Jordan and Eygpt, respectively. They had no demands before. Open a book and educate yourself before you speak up. Your opinion doesn't because matter as of right now Israel won't be gone. The moment Palestinian leaders will accept it peace will be here in no time. You should educate yourself imo. Media or the books you read never show the truth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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