garnite 8 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Then talk somewhere else. This isn't the thread's topic.we should be encouraging this discussion, not shying away from it. a forum isn't the place to simply say RIP in droves. this isn't an obituary. this thread shouldn't have been opened at all if it was made just to "pay your respects". that's not what we do on forums, you're probably going to have to get used to that sooner or later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Desire 2 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 This is how Israeli (Jewish kids) are being raised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp67KehlVGU This is so not true. That is just a tour in a museum and a few racist kids. I live in Israel and I don't know anyone who has been raised this way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 No! I am here to respect the innocent kids that were kidnapped and killed. Not to talk about some political conflict.Let's show some respect guys. EVEN IF it is against what you believe in. We are talking about people here. Innocent kids that were killed.well then don't talk about it. simple as that. go and tweet RIP if you so desperately need to pay your respects. no one is stopping you from doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid 13 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 I believe in peace as well sis but the problem is israel. Israel is the country that's invading Palestine not the opposite. I disagree with your point of view of it. This is how Israeli (Jewish kids) are being raised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp67KehlVGU make sure to watch this too. this is what arab kids can watch on TV. without getting into the political justifications of what is being said there, this is basically teaching children to hate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 This is so not true. That is just a tour in a museum and a few racist kids. I live in Israel and I don't know anyone who has been raised this way! *Exactly my point, generalizing, you said it yourself. *Just like I can't say something like that, you can't act like its somewhat of a fact that Palestinians are terrorists who bomb themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 well then don't talk about it. simple as that. go and tweet RIP if you so desperately need to pay your respects. no one is stopping you from doing that. How does bringing the political conflict again and again help you at all? The other side will still keep his opinion anyways. I respect your opinion but I don't think this discussion should be done here. Exactly my point, generalizing, you said it yourself. Just like I can't say something like that, you can't act like its somewhat of a fact that Palestinians are terrorists who bomb themselves. Let's get this straight: Palestinians are NOT terrorists who bomb themselves. Some of them, yes. Just like some of the Israelis are criminals as well. No need to generalize and no one was raised like this and you know it yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 How does bringing the political conflict again and again help you at all? The other side will still keep his opinion anyways. I respect your opinion but I don't think this discussion should be done here.because through discussions you learn things. new perspectives. it's always good. always. i'm not so pessimistic about all people being intransigent. some, but discussion is still worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I disagree with your point of view of it. make sure to watch this too. this is what arab kids can watch on TV. without getting into the political justifications of what is being said there, this is basically teaching children to hate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM Do you have anything BUT that damn MemriTV? Jewish propaganda machine against Arabs. Always the same. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Desire 2 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Exactly my point, generalizing, you said it yourself. Just like I can't say something like that, you can't act like its somewhat of a fact that Palestinians are terrorists who bomb themselves. All I said was that Israeli kids are not raised like this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 All I said was that Israeli kids are not raised like this *I know, I was just trying to achieve a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid 13 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 Do you have anything BUT that damn MemriTV? Jewish propaganda machine against Arabs. Always the same. You can't just ignore the fact that it was made by them and it is teaching children to hate. That's all my point. My point is that some of us are being taught to hate and we can't get over it when we grow up. I just wanted Jjang to notice that it happens on both sides. I don't hate Arabs, I just want you to understand that this is not only because of the Israeli people. nor only because of the Arabs. :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 You can't just ignore the fact that it was made by them and it is teaching children to hate. That's all my point. My point is that some of us are being taught to hate and we can't get over it when we grow up. I just wanted Jjang to notice that it happens on both sides. I don't hate Arabs, I just want you to understand that this is not only because of the Israeli people. nor only because of the Arabs. :roll: I will ignore it if it's coming from highly biased channel which provides inaccurate translations and edited videos. I will leave this here for youBrian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for The Guardian newspaper at the time, wrote in a public email debate with Carmon in 2003, that his problem with MEMRI was that it "poses as a research institute when it's basically a propaganda operation".[5] Earlier, Whitaker had charged that MEMRI's role was to "further the political agenda of Israel." and that MEMRI's website does not mention Carmon's employment for Israeli intelligence, or Meyrav Wurmser's political stance, which he described as an "extreme brand of Zionism".[3] Carmon responded to this by stating that his employment history is not a secret and was not political, as he served under opposing administrations of the Israeli government and that perhaps the issue was that he was Israeli: "If your complaint is that I am Israeli, then please say so." Carmon also questioned Whitaker's own biases, wondering if Whitaker's is biased in favor of Arabsâ€â€as his website on the Middle East is named "Al-Bab" ("The Gateway" in Arabic)â€â€stating: "I wonder how you would judge an editor whose website was called "Ha-Sha-ar" ("The Gateway" in Hebrew)?[5] Norman Finkelstein has described MEMRI as "a main arm of Israeli propaganda".In 2006, Finkelstein accused MEMRI of editing a television interview he gave in Lebanon in order to falsely impute that he was a Holocaust denier. In an interview with the newspaper In Focus in 2007, he said MEMRI uses "the same sort of propaganda techniques as the Nazis" and "take things out of context in order to do personal and political harm to people they don't like".[42]The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born, American political scientist. MEMRI's founding staff of seven included three who had formerly served in military intelligence in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).[3][4] FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid 13 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 I will ignore it if it's coming from highly biased channel which provides inaccurate translations and edited videos. I will leave this here for you Interesting. I'm happy that we are discussing it because I wasn't aware of it. But still, I'm sure they are being taught to hate us. Just like some of the Israelis are being taught to hate the Arabs. I just hope that one day there will be peace in this place.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 no, there should be one state for both people, israel-palestine or palestine-israel. partition is poison and fixes nothing and creates insular, nationalistic, tribal, embittered countries. agreed tbqh. if India and Pakistan were never partitioned, the ongoing religious mess would never have occurred and millions of lives would have been saved. It's best to just force these people to live together and if people from either side don't agree, then so be it, let them leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 agreed tbqh. if India and Pakistan were never partitioned, the ongoing religious mess would never have occurred and millions of lives would have been saved. It's best to just force these people to live together and if people from either side don't agree, then so be it, let them leave.yup, india is a great example. and the conflict and grievances created in ireland post partition. it just creates death, misery or both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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