Jjang 2,262 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Ron, you're acting out as if Israel's government or the Israeli forces are reaching out for peace, that Palestine is ruled by a terror organization that doesn't want to negotiate, you're taking some facts from here and there and twisting them around to benefit your own points/opinions, Its been over 60 years, Israel will not compromise nor reach out for peace, Gaza has been living in injustice ever since, while Israel had no problem with that, they had endless amount of operations that lead to nowhere, and they haven't learned anything, Israel is okay with Gaza being tortured and caged by them and that's the cold and sad truth. OK then why not give back the West Bank? something actually many Israelis also were against of taking. Plus as you know in 2012 the UN recognized the State of Palestine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzy 2,217 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Ron, you're acting out as if Israel's government or the Israeli forces are reaching out for peace, that Palestine is ruled by a terror organization that doesn't want to negotiate, you're taking some facts from here and there and twisting them around to benefit your own points/opinions, Its been over 60 years, Israel will not compromise nor reach out for peace, Gaza has been living in injustice ever since, while Israel had no problem with that, they had endless amount of operations that lead to nowhere, and they haven't learned anything, Israel is okay with Gaza being tortured and caged by them and that's the cold and sad truth. :tea: “The scars on my mind are on Replay” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 What really gives Israelis the right to have their own country? Their connection with the land is the same connection the Palestinians have to the land. Whether you will admit it or not, I don't care. If you want to wipe the Jewish people from Israel, you will fail really hard. What gives them the right to kill hundreds of people and injure thousands? Nothing gives them the right to do that just like NOTHING gives the Hamas the right to throw rockets and kidnap and kill innocent people. It's all just consequences of this conflict. Both sides need to stop the violence. Expand their country? May I remind you what happened in 2005? Here it is: Israeli disengagement from Gaza. The Israeli disengagement from Gaza , also known as "Gaza expulsion" and "Hitnatkut", was the withdrawal of the Israeli army from Gaza, and the dismantling of all Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip in 2005. Four small settlements in the northern West Bank were also evacuated.The disengagement was proposed by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, adopted by the government on June 6, 2004 and enacted in August 2005. Yet, Hamas conquered this area as well and now there is even more terror thanks to this move. Because of Israel's Iron Dome. You can't bring statistics to prove your point. It's not my fault Israel's defense system is really good. It still doesn't justify what Hamas is doing. It indeed isn't your fault, but if you have such a good defense system, why is there still need to fire back with 10x greater weapons to an extremely densily populated area with no defense? You're right. The Jewish people are really safe now! So to answer you, you will fail hard if you want to wipe all the Jewish people from Israel because it won't happen. You want to sit and cry about it, sure. But I also care about the Palestinians and I would like to end the conflict and strive for a better future considering the consequences. In order to satisfy BOTH of the sides. How can the Isreali side be satisfied? In every single fair way, they'll lose a lot of land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 So here is another article for you: http://lubavitch.com/news/article/2031043/France-In-Face-of-Anti-Semitism-Jews-Deepen-Identity.html And it's probably not really enough if Anti-semitism still exists Whenever a country suffers from economic breakdowns, people look for people to blame. The Jews most of the time are the ones that are blamed. Btw, where do you live? I'm interested to know because I was assuming you're living near Israel (Lebanon,Jordan and those countries) You're living a century ago it seems. It's always the jews that are holy and will never be put to blame, because you'll be called a nazi, or anti-semitic (even by moderators on a Gaga fan-forum in 2014). The muslims are always to blame these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzy 2,217 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 You're living a century ago it seems. It's always the jews that are holy and will never be put to blame, because you'll be called a nazi, or anti-semitic (even by moderators on a Gaga fan-forum in 2014). The muslims are always to blame these days. So true. Also it shouldn't be about religion at all. It's about humanity and who is breaching it! (countrywise) because ewn Jews are supporting Palestine. Look at these links also: http://www.globalresearch.ca/facts-all-us-citizens-need-to-know-about-israel-and-palestine/5391043 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152161555516135 “The scars on my mind are on Replay” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Ron, you're acting out as if Israel's government or the Israeli forces are reaching out for peace, that Palestine is ruled by a terror organization that doesn't want to negotiate, you're taking some facts from here and there and twisting them around to benefit your own points/opinions, Its been over 60 years, Israel will not compromise nor reach out for peace, Gaza has been living in injustice ever since, while Israel had no problem with that, they had endless amount of operations that lead to nowhere, and they haven't learned anything, Israel is okay with Gaza being tortured and caged by them and that's the cold and sad truth. I am not saying the Israeli government are perfect. Ufcourse I wish they would act differently and everything. But let's not act as if the Palestinian side is willing to compromise right now as well. The Hamas even rejected the ceasefire that Egypt planned while Israel WANTS the ceasefire. Do you think it's because Israel are afraid to loose? Even you agree with me that Israel is much stronger. They just don't want innocent people killed. Innocent people are killed right now in Gaza not because Israel really has an intention to kill them but it's because it's due to the consequences of this war, why is the Hamas hiding in citizen's houses? They know Israel are looking for them. They want a ceasefire because I truly believe that both sides don't want this. The Hamas however rejected it so what can Israel do now? Just stand still? And I don't know how I can say my words better than I already did. Even if it WAS a bad decision what happened in 1948 . It happened. What can we do now? Are we going to blame the Israelis 24/7 on what they did or are we gonna try and strive for a better future considering the consequences. I don't want to sit and cry and try to convince people that the Jewish people don't belong in Israel. Because you know what? I truly care for the Palestinians and frankly, this whole argument of who owns the land is so ridiculous by now. It won't lead to nowhere. Two countries in one territory is the best solution. The question is when and how. Israel can't make peace with terrorists and if Palestine wants to truly have it's own independent country, they need to stop being united with a terror organization and recognize Israel as a country next to them. Only THEN, the negotiation can succeed and a better future will happen. Both sides are not willing to compromise as of now but it can change in the future. Israel has an organized democracy and a new government can be chosen while the Palestinian Government is united with the Hamas, a confirmed terror organization so I don't know why there is a need to blame only one side. Explain it to me Sam. I really don't understand. Do you want to strive for a better future considering the consequences or do you want to sit and look back at the past and just complain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I mean people are seriously offering to wipe out the Jewish people out of Israel. It is opinions like these that need to be destroyed. I am Jewish. Where do I need to go now? Why can't both of the sides live together? I don't know when it will happen... But I believe it will happen and it can happen. Why do I need to leave? Why do the Palestinians need to suffer? Why can't both of the sides be satisfied Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Freedom of speech you say? ARRESTED. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf5zY3j_bnM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Freedom of speech you say? ARRESTED. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf5zY3j_bnM Oh give me a break. As if you don't have the right to say whatever you want in Israel. There are Arabs that are really Pro-Palestine in the government. You still didn't reply to my earlier posts.... No one here even mentioned anything about Freedom of Speech. That's not even the topic of the OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Oh give me a break. As if you don't have the right to say whatever you want in Israel. There are Arabs that are really Pro-Palestine in the government. You still didn't reply to my earlier posts.... No one here even mentioned anything about Freedom of Speech. That's not even the topic of the OP. *You still haven't reacted to videos posted by me and by others too, and again the Holocaust is no excuse for stealing a land and private homes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Freedom of speech you say? ARRESTED. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf5zY3j_bnM omg :wtf: and he really didn't do anything do you need a permit to protest in Israel? In my country you do, and that could be the reason he got arrested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 *People who protesting for Gaza in Israel and basically protesting for peace were beaten by the extreme rights too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 You still haven't reacted to videos posted by me and by others too, and again the Holocaust is no excuse for stealing a land and private homes. You're Arab and it's fair to say that you're Pro-Palestine...are you in Jail? No. I don't get why you need to do convince the world of how Israel is bad and evil and a horrible country and what not... Does it solve the problem? Not really. I can do the same to the Palestinian side but I'd rather not because it doesn't help at all. omg :wtf: and he really didn't do anything do you need a permit to protest in Israel? In my country you do, and that could be the reason he got arrested. Yup! That's probably the reason. Still doesn't justify the way they pushed him like that But he should have been permitted to do that and he didn't. People who protesting for Gaza in Israel and basically protesting for peace were beaten by the extreme rights too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ji-j8nisgQ Am I saying ALL of the Arabs are like that? Ufcourse not. This case doesn't represent anything. Why are you giving these examples... Sam, you need to stop with this :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 You're Arab and it's fair to say that you're Pro-Palestine...are you in Jail? No. I don't get why you need to do convince the world of how Israel is bad and evil and a horrible country and what not... Does it solve the problem? Not really. I can do the same to the Palestinian side but I'd rather not because it doesn't help at all. Yup! That's probably the reason. Still doesn't justify the way they pushed him like that But he should have been permitted to do that and he didn't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ji-j8nisgQ Am I saying ALL of the Arabs are like that? Ufcourse not. This case doesn't represent anything. Why are you giving these examples... Sam, you need to stop with this :/ *I'm not saying its a horrible country, I'm just saying its not a very good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomstre 2 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 They wouldn't even have to treat them if they didn't ****ing attack them in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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