lego 44,165 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I swear this thread had 5 pages? What happened to Ross? Even quotes are gone. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I swear this thread had 5 pages? What happened to Ross? Even quotes are gone. I must say: We heard your statements about Israelis occupying the land illegally everyone but it HAPPENED. You know what? You can't judge what happened back then because the Jewish people were after the holocaust and if you guys would be offered to live in a safe place, I doubt you would even think a second whether to live there or not after such an horrifying event. But leave that, even if it WAS a bad decision. It happened. Are we going to blame the Israelis 24/7 on what they did or are we gonna try and strive for a better future considering the consequences. Two countries in one territory is the best solution. The question is when and how. Israel can't make peace with terrorists and if Palestine wants to truly have it's own independent country, they need to stop being united with a terror organization and recognize Israel as a country next to them. Only THEN, the negotiation can succeed and a better future will happen. Tell me if you're not okay with this solution. I hope we could finally agree on something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Stop copypasting same thing. I don't have time to argue about this today. Also none of my questions were answered. Is Ross banned? That's what I want to know. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Stop copypasting same thing. I don't have time to argue about this today. Also none of my questions were answered. Is Ross banned? That's what I want to know. I am copy pasting a statement of mine so you would read but you choose to purposely ignore. I am not trying to argue, I simply want you to open your eyes a little and look at the bigger picture. As for Ross, I don't know. He was banned probably because of what he said yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHtJSyWK0zw&app=desktop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ3UZxWAcfw And cupid, for the 235523453253th time, not all Palestine equals Hamas, Palestine's government =/= Hamas. I must say: We heard your statements about Israelis occupying the land illegally everyone but it HAPPENED. You know what? You can't judge what happened back then because the Jewish people were after the holocaust and if you guys would be offered to live in a safe place, I doubt you would even think a second whether to live there or not after such an horrifying event. But leave that, even if it WAS a bad decision. It happened. Are we going to blame the Israelis 24/7 on what they did or are we gonna try and strive for a better future considering the consequences. Two countries in one territory is the best solution. The question is when and how. Israel can't make peace with terrorists and if Palestine wants to truly have it's own independent country, they need to stop being united with a terror organization and recognize Israel as a country next to them. Only THEN, the negotiation can succeed and a better future will happen. Tell me if you're not okay with this solution. I hope we could finally agree on something So suddenly the Arabs / Palestine are the ones to blame for what happened during the Holocaust? where's the logic here? So just because they went through what they went through they had to torture others too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 And cupid, for the 235523453253th time, not all Palestine equals Hamas, Palestine's government =/= Hamas. So suddenly the Arabs / Palestine are the ones to blame for what happened during the Holocaust? where's the logic here? So just because they went through what they went through they had to torture others too? I never said the ones to blame are the Arabs/Palestine people but after the Holocaust, I don't think any one of us can judge the Jewish people back then. They wanted a safe place to live in and I doubt anyone of us would have thought for a second whether to live there or not. Also, why are you guys not blaming the British Empire for actually allowing for this to happen? Why are you not blaming the UN for accepting the offer of creating a Jewish Country in Israel? Also, Hamas pretty much does equal to the Palestine Government now because they are united (also with Fatah). http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/02/palestinian-unity-government-sworn-in-fatah-hamas I said it once and I'll say it again: Israel cannot make peace with terrorists. even if it WAS a bad decision what happened in 1948 . It happened. What can we do now? Are we going to blame the Israelis 24/7 on what they did or are we gonna try and strive for a better future considering the consequences. Two countries in one territory is the best solution. The question is when and how. Israel can't make peace with terrorists and if Palestine wants to truly have it's own independent country, they need to stop being united with a terror organization and recognize Israel as a country next to them. Only THEN, the negotiation can succeed and a better future will happen. Edit: all the pictures you've shown above are extreme rights in Israel. I can show the same in the other side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I never said the ones to blame are the Arabs/Palestine people but after the Holocaust, I don't think any one of us can judge the Jewish people back then. They wanted a safe place to live in and I doubt anyone of us would have thought for a second whether to live there or not. Also, why are you guys not blaming the British Empire for actually allowing for this to happen? Why are you not blaming the UN for accepting the offer of creating a Jewish Country in Israel? Also, Hamas pretty much does equal to the Palestine Government now because they are united (also with Fatah). http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/02/palestinian-unity-government-sworn-in-fatah-hamas I said it once and I'll say it again: Israel cannot make peace with terrorists. even if it WAS a bad decision what happened in 1948 . It happened. What can we do now? Are we going to blame the Israelis 24/7 on what they did or are we gonna try and strive for a better future considering the consequences. Two countries in one territory is the best solution. The question is when and how. Israel can't make peace with terrorists and if Palestine wants to truly have it's own independent country, they need to stop being united with a terror organization and recognize Israel as a country next to them. Only THEN, the negotiation can succeed and a better future will happen. But why would Israel get even a small piece of land? It's the land of the Palestinians... I completely get why Palestinians want all of Israel back, like how it used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 But why would Israel get even a small piece of land? It's the land of the Palestinians... I completely get why Palestinians want all of Israel back, like how it used to be. So you want to wipe out all the Jewish People from Israel? To where exactly? Plus, Palestine never really was a confirmed country by the UN. There were Arabs living here, yes. However, they didn't have their own confirmed country. But who said we can't live together? Why does it need to be only one of the sides. You cannot wipe out all of the Jewish people from Israel and you cannot wipe anybody from Israel including the Arabs. We live here and this is our land. The land belongs to the Jewish people, the Arabs that live here and the Palestinians. We can live together. Or like Gaga refers it...we could belong together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 So you want to wipe out all the Jewish People from Israel? To where exactly? Plus, Palestine never really was a confirmed country by the UN. There were Arabs living here, yes. However, they didn't have their own confirmed country. But who said we can't live together? Why does it need to be only one of the sides. You cannot wipe out all of the Jewish people from Israel and you cannot wipe anybody from Israel including the Arabs. We live here and this is our land. The land belongs to the Jewish people, the Arabs that live here and the Palestinians. We can live together. Or like Gaga refers it...we can belong together. OK then why not give back the West Bank? something actually many Israelis also were against of taking. Plus as you know in 2012 the UN recognized the State of Palestine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 So you want to wipe out all the Jewish People from Israel? To where exactly? Plus, Palestine never really was a confirmed country by the UN. There were Arabs living here, yes. However, they didn't have their own confirmed country. But who said we can't live together? Why does it need to be only one of the sides. You cannot wipe out all of the Jewish people from Israel and you cannot wipe anybody from Israel including the Arabs. We live here and this is our land. The land belongs to the Jewish people, the Arabs that live here and the Palestinians. We can live together. Or like Gaga refers it...we could belong together.and if i convert to judaism tomorrow, does the land belong to me too? this is one of the silliest concepts i've ever heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 OK then why not give back the West Bank? something actually many Israelis also were against of taking. Plus as you know in 2012 the UN recognized the State of Palestine. That's a different subject. The negotiation between the Palestinians and the Israelis is not working so well now because of many reasons. Mainly, it's the fault of both sides that aren't willing to compromise. But you also need to understand that Israel can't make peace with terrorists. Hamas pretty much does equal to the Palestine Government now because they are united (also with Fatah). http://www.theguardi...-in-fatah-hamas Two countries in one territory is the best solution. The question is when and how. Israel can't make peace with terrorists and if Palestine wants to truly have it's own independent country, they need to stop being united with a terror organization and recognize Israel as a country next to them. Only THEN, the negotiation can succeed and a better future will happen. Also, where were the UN in 1948? Why didn't they recognize Palestine then? If they did so, everything would be different probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 and if i convert to judaism tomorrow, does the land belong to me too? this is one of the silliest concepts i've ever heard. Yes actually. The Jewish People have a special connection to the land that you might not understand There is also archaeological evidence that the Jewish People indeed lived in Israel before being sent to Exile. Also, why are you not blaming the UN for accepting the offer in 1948 to create a Jewish Country? Why are you not blaming the countries who voted "YES" in the election of Israel as an independent country. We are in 2014, we need to look at things realistically and try to find a solution from this point so it'll satisfy all of the sides. Both sides will need to compromise, this is how negotiation works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Yes actually. The Jewish People have a special connection to the land that you might not understand There is also archaeological evidence that the Jewish People indeed lived in Israel before being sent to Exile. Also, why are you not blaming the UN for accepting the offer in 1948 to create a Jewish Country? Why are you not blaming the countries who voted "YES" in the election of Israel as an independent country. We are in 2014, we need to look at things realistically and try to find a solution from this point so it'll satisfy all of the sides. Both sides will need to compromise, this is how negotiation works. yeah, ridiculous concept. disgusting actually, considering what it has caused and what basis it has in reality. who says i don't blame them or consider them complicit!? only you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 That's a different subject. The negotiation between the Palestinians and the Israelis is not working so well now because of many reasons. Mainly, it's the fault of both sides that aren't willing to compromise. But you also need to understand that Israel can't make peace with terrorists. Hamas pretty much does equal to the Palestine Government now because they are united (also with Fatah). http://www.theguardi...-in-fatah-hamas Two countries in one territory is the best solution. The question is when and how. Israel can't make peace with terrorists and if Palestine wants to truly have it's own independent country, they need to stop being united with a terror organization and recognize Israel as a country next to them. Only THEN, the negotiation can succeed and a better future will happen. Also, where were the UN in 1948? Why didn't they recognize Palestine then? If they did so, everything would be different probably. The Israelian government needs to stop being terrorists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 4,177 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 the first thing is a withdrawal of occupied territories back to 1967 frontiers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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