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France, Spain and Denmark are all holding non-binding votes in their respective parliaments on recognition of Palestine, they'll most likely pass and join the UK and Ireland with non-binding support, alongside Sweden, Poland and Hungary with official recognition. 

 

The EU is also apparently considering sanctions against Israel for breaking international law in regard to the settlements 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11234137/EU-considering-sanctions-against-Israel-over-settlements.html

 

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-EU-foreign-policy-chief-Recognizing-a-Palestinian-state-is-not-enough-382017

 

Not really relevant but I'm somewhat proud of Ireland for being at least slightly ahead of most of Europe when it comes to Palestine, official and proper recognition would be better but still, better than nothing :madge:Surprised Israel hasn't responded with its rhetoric in 2011 that ""Ireland (is the) most hostile country in Europe", which is ironic considering so many people view Ireland as being an immensely friendly place :queenga:

 

Off topic a bit but still :emma:

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You're just sick with hate. I live Israel everyday and your'e coming from outside reading some bull**** on news outlets and you think you own it all. You're denying and ignoring Islamic extremism and its impact on our world while blaming the rest for atrocities. Not to mention your extreme usage of stereotypes and prejudice on Jewish people that belongs with Europe of the 40's.  

 

Keep on spreading hate while Israel continues to be an island of sanity in the jungle that is called the Middle East.

The only one in the region where everyone are free to live their life, no matter what religion they're coming from or what s-xual orientation they are familiar with.

 

So? People who I take info from also live in Israel every day, but they also go outside of it. What makes your point of view more correct than theirs?

It's not just couple of news outlets, these are human rights organizations within Israel, there are hundreds of pages with full reports and people who live there, independent journalists and activists.

What makes you think you know better than them?

 

I'm sick of oppression and hate and racism that your state is creating. I don't see any signs of wanting peace. 

I see extremist talk from top officials, government, army, religious figures to ordinary people. 

The things you write about in no way justify age or gender restrictions to places of worship. And as I mentioned, you cannot find similar situation where roles are reversed. When will you acknowledge Zionist terrorism?

 

And what's with the pic? Didn't we play this game already? :roll:

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Parental love, Israeli-style

Where else do they force a little child to crawl with a backpack on his back? When Hamas treats its children like this, Israeli parents tut-tut with disgust: Look at these beasts.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.589407

 

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Tourism in Israeli settlements: Practice shooting Palestinians

 

SHAY, EXTREME TOURISM INSTRUCTOR:â€YOUR MOMMY WON’T BE HERE TO PROTECT YOU, SO STAND UP LIKE A MAN,†CONTINUING, “ARE YOU READY TO TAKE OUT A TERRORIST?''

Tourists from across the globe visit Gush Etzion settlements, where they are offered by settlers “enjoyable†package under the name “Hebrew Extreme Tourism†with range of activities that include: story telling about battles, view live shooting performance and an activity where visitors can practice shooting at “terrorists-mechablim†cardboard pictures hung on the wall.

The word used for terrorist in Hebrew is “Mechabel†(mechablim for terrorists). In Israeli discourse this is a synonym for Palestinian.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/tourism-in-israeli-settlements-practice-shooting-palestinians#sthash.kf62l5t8.dpuf

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4243882,00.html

 

 

Double standards. :awkney:

 

The only one in the region where everyone are free to live their life, no matter what religion they're coming from or what s-xual orientation they are familiar with.

 

Keep dreaming.

 

I don't know him nor I know what was his real intentions that you got out of context, but he's just a person. Not the prime minister or even an official.

I gave you the link, he has a blog; there is nothing out of context. And so what if he's just a person? You don't need to be a PM for your opinion to matter.

 

"Jewish only cities/neighbourhoods, jewish only schools, jewish only busses, restriction of movement and worship, all that is far from democracy."

ok that is the biggest bull**** you ever said. I just proved how clueless your are about Israel.

Palestinains are Palestinians, they do not live in Israel. Arabs in Israel are Israelis. And yes, I happen to know tons. In Israel we learn Arabic at school and we have mixed cities like Akko, Haifa, Ramla and more. We treat each other with respect and live together, Jews, Muslims, Christans, Druze people, etc. We have no "Jew-only" things. That is a lie you just invented.

I won't talk about the army as I am no familiar with all the reasons any-single-thing happens, just like you. The picture is far from being black & white and both sides needs to chill down.

I wish I invented those things. :wtf:

 

Jerusalem's Armenians outraged as city approves Jews-only parking lot in Old City

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jerusalem-s-armenians-outraged-as-city-approves-jews-only-parking-lot-in-old-city-1.410694

 

Contradicting its own ruling, Israel’s Supreme Court legalizes segregated communities

The Israeli Supreme Court Wednesday dismissed various petitions against the Admissions Committees Law, which allows admissions committees in hundreds of communities in Israel to reject housing applicants based on their “social suitability.â€

March 8, 2000 marked a unique moment in Israeli history. In a major decision, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that the town of Katzir, which was established on state land by the Jewish Agency, could not deny the right of the Arab Ka’adan family to live in the town simply on the basis that they were not Jewish. This was the first time that Palestinian citizens of Israel successfully challenged the legality of “Jewish-only†communities in the state, generating cautious optimism that it could set an important precedent for Palestinian rights in land and housing.

Fifteen years later, on September 17, 2014, these hopes came to an abrupt end. In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court dismissed various petitions filed by human rights groups against the Admissions Committees Law, enacted by the Knesset in 2011. The law allows admissions committees in 434 communities in the Negev and the Galilee (about 43 percent of all towns in Israel) to reject housing applicants based on their “social suitability†and the communities’ “social and cultural fabric.†In effect, these committees are now legally permitted to refuse residency based on any “undesired†identity, including Palestinian, Sephardic, African, gay, religious, secular and others.

http://www.adalah.org/eng/?mod=db&dld_page=law&slg=admissions-committees-law-law-to-amend-the-cooperative-societies-ordinance-no-8

http://972mag.com/contradicting-its-own-ruling-israels-supreme-court-legalizes-segregated-communities/96817/

 

Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon bans Palestinians from Israeli-run bus lines in West Bank, following settler pressure

Settlers have tried on multiple occasions to prevent Palestinian workers from commuting on these buses, and have released a video calling for them to be banned.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.622414

 

Jewish parents in multicultural school demand parity in the classroom

The Weizmann School in central Jaffa is the only school in the country with a mixed Arab-Jewish student body and has a below average socioeconomic background.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/jewish-parents-in-multicultural-school-demand-parity-in-the-classroom-1.370523

 

there have been claims that the Jewish education system gets more resources. According to the Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education, the Israeli government spends an average of $192 per year on each Arab student and $1,100 per Jewish student. It also notes that drop-out rate for Israeli Arab citizens is twice as high as that of their Jewish counterparts (12 percent versus 6 percent). The same group also noted that in 2005 there was a 5,000-classroom shortage in the Arab sector.[9]

The Ministry of Education announced in April 2010 that the suggested curriculum for the coming school year would not include civics, democratic values or Jewish-Arab coexistence, and focus more on Zionist and Jewish values.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Israel#Arab_sector

 

Hebron: Separate roads for Jews, Palestinians

Road leading to Cave of Patriarchs separated by fence: paved side for Jews, unpaved for Arabs. Peace Now: With settler pressure, government continues building walls, fences of racism

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4353235,00.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC4EEPVRBsE

 

Dolev:

Palestinains are Palestinians, they do not live in Israel. Arabs in Israel are Israelis.

 

:toofunny: 

 

The common term used by Israelis to describe the Palestinian minority is “Israeli Arabs.†This is one manner of denying the existence of a Palestinian national contingent.

 

"The indigenous Palestinians comprise 20 percent of the total population of Israel. While they were allowed to become citizens, they were distanced from the center of power because the Israeli state was a Jewish state and Israeli national identity incorporated Jewish symbols and referents. Government officials categorized and labeled them by religion (Muslims, Christians, Druze), region (Galilee Arab, Triangle Arab, Negev Bedouin), and family connections, or hamula (Haberer 1985, 145). In official and popular culture, they ceased being Palestinians and were re-created as Israeli Arabs or Arab citizens of Israel. Expressing Palestinian identity by displaying the flag, singing nationalist songs, or reciting nationalist poetry was illegal in Israel until only very recently. Self-identification as Palestinians, Israeli Palestinians, or Palestinian citizens of Israel has increased since 1967 and is now their preferred descriptor. It was only under the influence of the intifada, however, that many Israeli Palestinians felt secure enough to begin to refer to themselves publicly this way (as opposed to choosing the label Palestinian only in anonymous surveys on identity)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#cite_note-Torstrickp13-21

 

The national language and mother tongue of Arab citizens, including the Druze, is Arabic and the colloquial spoken language is of the Palestinian Arabic dialect. Knowledge and command of Modern Standard Arabic varies.[61]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Sectarian_and_religious_groupings

 

"The category of "Israeli Arab" was constructed by the Israeli authorities.

The use of these labels denies the existence of any type of political or national identification and the use of "minority" even denies them a distinct cultural identity. With the emergence of a more critical discourse [...] the categorization expands to include Israeli Palestinians, Palestinians in Israel, Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Palestinian Arabs, the Palestinians of 1948, and so on."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#cite_note-LDE-23

 

Generally speaking, supporters of Israel tend to use Israeli Arab or Arab Israeli to refer to this population, while critics of Israel (or supporters of Palestinians) tend to use Palestinian or Palestinian Arab without referencing Israel.

A minority of Israel's Arab citizens include "Israeli" in some way in their self-identifying label; the majority identify as Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[6][15]

 

These labels have been criticized for denying this population a political or national identification, obscuring their Palestinian identity and connection to Palestine.[21][23][24] 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Terminology

racist ppl really be like “so just because I’m a racist that makes me racist ??? wow”

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Dolev

The things you write about in no way justify age or gender restrictions to places of worship. And as I mentioned, you cannot find similar situation where roles are reversed. When will you acknowledge Zionist terrorism?

 

Age restriction is setted for preventing eager young people from coming into the Temple Mount to provoke and go wild, and it exsits because it happend before. You're ignorant because you don't know Jews are not allowed to go up the Temple Mount many hours a day while all muslims are free to do so.

 

You're just obsessed.

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Melech

France, Spain and Denmark are all holding non-binding votes in their respective parliaments on recognition of Palestine, they'll most likely pass and join the UK and Ireland with non-binding support, alongside Sweden, Poland and Hungary with official recognition.

The EU is also apparently considering sanctions against Israel for breaking international law in regard to the settlements

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11234137/EU-considering-sanctions-against-Israel-over-settlements.html

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-EU-foreign-policy-chief-Recognizing-a-Palestinian-state-is-not-enough-382017

Not really relevant but I'm somewhat proud of Ireland for being at least slightly ahead of most of Europe when it comes to Palestine, official and proper recognition would be better but still, better than nothing :madge:Surprised Israel hasn't responded with its rhetoric in 2011 that ""Ireland (is the) most hostile country in Europe", which is ironic considering so many people view Ireland as being an immensely friendly place :queenga:

Off topic a bit but still :emma:

What a Mesa. Loosing respect for Those countries

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Jerusalem (CNN) -- Two knife- and axe-wielding Palestinian men broke into a Jerusalem synagogue Tuesday morning and killed four Israeli worshipers, Israeli police said.

Police responded and shot and killed the attackers, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told CNN. He said the men came from East Jerusalem and also had a handgun.

Six others were wounded during the attack in the Har Nof area including two responding police officers, Rosenfeld said. He said the attack took place around 7:15 a.m. while about 10 people were worshiping in the synagogue.

A Hamas spokesman said the attack was a response to the death of a Palestinian bus driver under disputed circumstances. But Hamas did not claim responsibility for the Jerusalem attack Tuesday.

"The operation in Jerusalem is a response to the killing of Yousuf al-Ramouni and the other ongoing crimes by occupiers in Jerusalem," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri posted on Facebook.

Al-Ramouni, an Arab bus driver, was discovered hanged in his bus near Jerusalem on Sunday, generating controversy among Palestinians who reject the police finding of suicide.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/18/world/meast/jerusalem-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

****ing bastards. Those people are vile & barbaric, there's no chance for peace as long as radical Islam is around.

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Abbas qualifies his condemnation of the terrorist attack by adding Israel must ban Jews from praying at Temple Mount, Judaism's holiest site

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11238093/Jerusalem-axe-attack-Briton-among-four-killed.html

 

Some things I found interesting: 

 

1. "The attackers were identified as Ghassam and Uday Abu Jamal, 32 and 22, two cousins from the East Jerusalem neighbourhood of Jabal Mukaber who were said to be employed as building workers."

 

2. "He also pointed the finger at Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority leader, and Hamas, the militant Islamist movement, saying both were guilty of "incitement"."

 

It's plainly obvious that both sides are guilty of incitement... They're both using twitter to make comments about the situation which is so distasteful and pandering IMO. 

 

3. "Uri Maklef, deputy speaker of the Knesset, Israel's parliament, said the attack demanded "new thinking" from the Israeli authorities - including special ID cards and security checks for Arabs from East Jerusalem.

"This is a result of Arabs being allowed to move around and travel freely," he said. "This is a place where only someone who knows the area would come. We did a lot to try and calm things down.
"The killing of a Jew because he is a Jew while he is praying and wearing the prayer shawl is a continuation of the images we saw during the Holocaust.""

 

Can someone PLEASE shut this guy up...  :roll:

 

4. "There was a contrasting mood in Jabal Mukaber, where border police fired tear gas and stun grenades at stone-throwing youths after raiding the neighbourhood to arrest the parents and siblings of the two attacks."

 

Is this a true arrest if they're being questioned? Is this just a clever use of diction? 

 

5. "On Monday a Palestinian bus driver was found hanged in a vehicle in Jerusalem. Israeli police, citing autopsy results, said he had committed suicide but the driver's family said they suspected foul play and the incident led to clashes.

Hamas called for retaliation after the bus driver's death."

 

Incitement. There was no evidence of foul play in the hanging... 

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Luc

What a Mesa. Loosing respect for Those countries

losing respect for you :wtf:

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Melech

losing respect for you :wtf:

Did you ever had some respect for me though? :rip:

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****ing bastards. Those people are vile & barbaric, there's no chance for peace as long as radical Islam is around.

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I agree. If Hamas (and all the others) wasnt a terroriat organisation, the Israeli side would run out of good excuses and lose support from western countries (besides the US, probably).

Did you ever had some respect for me though? :rip:

Of course I did. You're very passionate and nice. But that you fail to see how wrong Israel is in this war and that there's no way out of it without recognizing Palestine :wtf:

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brizoda

after the attack at the synagogue . . . .

 

when this land will be free of inter-ethnic and inter-religious conflict?

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I agree. If Hamas (and all the others) wasnt a terroriat organisation, the Israeli side would run out of good excuses and lose support from western countries (besides the US, probably).

Of course I did. You're very passionate and nice. But that you fail to see how wrong Israel is in this war and that there's no way out of it without recognizing Palestine :wtf:

No you are lying. You were always disagreeing with my points. It's obvious that you never liked me :smh:

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No you are lying. You were always disagreeing with my points. It's obvious that you never liked me :smh:

true, I disagree with most of your views (overly patriotic, ignorant following of religion, anti-abortus/euthanasia, justin bieber). Doesnt mean I dislikr you.

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hmm

What a Mesa. Loosing respect for Those countries

 

I don't think it's messy :shrug: As far I know, even Israel (in theory anyway) agrees to a two state solution. That will involve recognition of both Israel and Palestine and if anything it's those countries (the ones in the process of recognising Palestine or coming somewhat closer to it) that are actually aware of what they're doing :shrug:

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