UC PiXELVISION 353 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 They say they didn't have ''proper licence''. Irony. While more ILLEGAL settlements are being built. inb4 "FALSE INFO! SUCH BIASED ZIONISTS!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Russian immigrants leaving Israel, discouraged by conversion woes Figures show one-third of Israelis who emigrated in recent years were not accepted as Jews in the country. A disproportionate share of Israelis leaving the country in recent years are immigrants from the former Soviet Union whose Jewish credentials had been called into question, according to an expert on emigration trends. Speaking at a Jerusalem conference on Israeli expat communities, Yogev Karasenty, a policy adviser to the Jewish Agency, noted that more than one-third of the 15,900 Israelis who left in the country in 2012 were defined by the Central Bureau of Statistics as “other.†This is the term generally used to describe immigrants from the former Soviet Union who were eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return but are not considered Jewish according to Halakcha (Jewish law). Difficulties confronted by this population in converting to Judaism in Israel, he posited, was motivating them to leave the country. “If this particular group had access to a friendlier conversion process, it would be very reasonable to assume that their drop-out rates would not be as high,†he said. “Because they are not considered Jewish here, it is much more difficult for them to feel a part of the country.†Karasenty a former fellow at the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute, said the 2012 figures were representative of trends in recent years. He estimated that the number of immigrants from the former Soviet Union who fit the definition of “other†is somewhere between 200,000 and 250,000. “I had expected that their share among those leaving the country would be higher than that of native-born Israelis, but I was surprised to discover that it was that high,†he said. The definition of a Jew under the Law of Return is anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent or a Jewish spouse. But to be considered Jewish for the purpose of marriage in Israel, a person must have been born to a Jewish mother or have undergone an Orthodox conversion. Many of the immigrants from the former Soviet Union have resisted these conversions because the process is lengthy and requires them to adopt an Orthodox lifestyle. Karasenty presented the figures at a conference in the Knesset organized by Israeli Global Leadership, a group that seeks to strengthen and cultivate lay leadership in Israeli expat communities around the world. It was the first conference of its kind to be held in Israel. Recent reports of young Israelis leaving the country, especially to destinations like Berlin, have sparked concerns. According to World Bank figures, some 350,000 Israelis currently live overseas, the overwhelming majority in North America. Karasenty said this figure only takes into account individuals born in Israel and, therefore, tends to underestimate the phenomenon. According to his calculations, the number of Israelis living abroad today is somewhere between 550,000 and 580,000 – in line with figures published by the Central Bureau of Statistics. This figure does not include children born abroad to Israeli citizens, but it does include about 100,000 Arab citizens of the country. More than half the Israelis who left the country in recent years were not native born but had immigrated from elsewhere, said Karasenty. That includes many immigrants recognized as Jews, he said, who are part of a growing global community of what he termed “multi-locals†– young adults who move from country to country. Despite recent reports that “tens of thousands†of Israelis were relocating to Berlin, Karasenty estimated that the actual number was somewhere between 6,000 and 12,000. Today’s event was organized by leaders of the Israeli communities in New York, Toronto, Australia and London. Many of the speakers, including the organizers, stressed the important role Israeli ex-pats could serve as bridges between Israel and the local Jewish communities where they reside. http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.623745?v=292EF391D862358532DF63B162E0518C FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 They say they didn't have ''proper licence''. Irony. While more ILLEGAL settlements are being built. They actually had no building permit... The way you phrased it implies they had a licence at all? Not that I necessarily believe Israel should control the permits in East Jerusalem, though those people built their houses knowing this would happen... They weren't finished construction either, were they? I think the really ruthless part is that they weren't allowed to bring their belongings. :( Absolutely agree about the settlements though. It's an obvious obstacle for a two-state solution which everyone (experts) seems to think would be best at this point. I really thought they would stop after this years Gaza war. Russian immigrants leaving Israel, discouraged by conversion woes Figures show one-third of Israelis who emigrated in recent years were not accepted as Jews in the country. It's kinda obvious you shared this to discredit Israel... There's not one mention of Palestine in that entire article... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Palestinian man kills one in Jerusalem car attack - police (Reuters) - A Palestinian rammed his car into pedestrians in central Jerusalem on Wednesday in the second attack of its kind in two weeks, killing one person and fuelling concerns of another Palestinian uprising. The driver, who was shot dead by police, was identified by an Israeli security official as Ibrahim Akari from East Jerusalem, and the militant Islamist group Hamas claimed responsibility for what it termed "the heroic running-over operation". http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/11/05/mideast-jerusalem-violence-idINKBN0IP17720141105 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Palestinian man kills one in Jerusalem car attack - police (Reuters) - A Palestinian rammed his car into pedestrians in central Jerusalem on Wednesday in the second attack of its kind in two weeks, killing one person and fuelling concerns of another Palestinian uprising. The driver, who was shot dead by police, was identified by an Israeli security official as Ibrahim Akari from East Jerusalem, and the militant Islamist group Hamas claimed responsibility for what it termed "the heroic running-over operation". http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/11/05/mideast-jerusalem-violence-idINKBN0IP17720141105 inb4 "Israeli police kills Palestinian in Jerusalem". "OMG those zionists!!! hashtagfreegaza" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 inb4 "Israeli police kills Palestinian in Jerusalem". "OMG those zionists!!! hashtagfreegaza" don't forget an biased article by some arabic news with some sad photos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 even those who convert to judaism at the age of 60 for example? they're descendants, are they? Check out this article http://gagadaily.com/index.php/topic/111098-israel-palestine-conflict-discussion-thread/page-196#entry5871844 It's kind of related to this discussion. Jewish law says you're not a real Jew unless you have Jewish mother or by conversion. So I don't know what Abraham has to do with this, he seems irrelevant, and he's also "father" of the Arabs, so I don't know what our Bible friend is trying to prove here. Do Russian Jews, Ethiopian black Jews and a Jew from Brooklyn all have same origin? From the article you see that Russian Jews were not accepted and were asked to convert? Still they have right to live there according to "Law of Return" ("return"-lol), but 5 million Palestinian refugees don't have that right. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 They actually had no building permit... The way you phrased it implies they had a licence at all? Not that I necessarily believe Israel should control the permits in East Jerusalem, though those people built their houses knowing this would happen... They weren't finished construction either, were they? I think the really ruthless part is that they weren't allowed to bring their belongings. :( Absolutely agree about the settlements though. It's an obvious obstacle for a two-state solution which everyone (experts) seems to think would be best at this point. I really thought they would stop after this years Gaza war. It's kinda obvious you shared this to discredit Israel... There's not one mention of Palestine in that entire article... Israel is not a normal country. It's literally built on genocide and other people's land. During summer attack on Gaza, they left hundreds of thousands homeless Palestinians, there is humanitarian crisis and you think it's fair to demolish several more homes in "lack of permit" excuse. It's pure hypocrisy to talk about bulding permit of Palestinian homes when Jewish homes are growing by hundreds. This image doesn't need a caption. That's discrimination and racism. It's apartheid and racial segregated busses are another proof of that. It's actually second floor which wasn't furnished, the whole family lived in first floor, you can live in that kind of house you know. The roof is there, furnishing second floor doesn't affect first. And they had disabled daughter. The father of the family said his laywer was trying to get permit for months, but couldn't . Gee, I wonder why. The article about Russian Jews is talking about Law of Return and is relevant to this topic. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 don't forget an biased article by some arabic news with some sad photos it was only a matter of time. notice how theres not even a word about him killing people and terrorizing a whole street. and that's children, how you teach people to hate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 LOL https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/530000885410430976 https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/530000885410430976 http://news.yahoo.com/israel-approves-law-ease-conversion-judaism-192445574.html Livni called the new law "great news for hundreds of thousands of citizens who live with us, whom we encouraged to immigrate as part of the Law of Return but until now were second-rate citizens." FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Israel is not a normal country. It's literally built on genocide and other people's land. During summer attack on Gaza, they left hundreds of thousands homeless Palestinians, there is humanitarian crisis and you think it's fair to demolish several more homes in "lack of permit" excuse. It's pure hypocrisy to talk about bulding permit of Palestinian homes when Jewish homes are growing by hundreds. This image doesn't need a caption. That's discrimination and racism. It's apartheid and racial segregated busses are another proof of that. It's actually second floor which wasn't furnished, the whole family lived in first floor, you can live in that kind of house you know. The roof is there, furnishing second floor doesn't affect first. And they had disabled daughter. The father of the family said his laywer was trying to get permit for months, but couldn't . Gee, I wonder why. The article about Russian Jews is talking about Law of Return and is relevant to this topic. "Apartheid" is definitely not the right word. It's totally overused, just like holocaust/genocide... This situation is none of those. Highly unique. I only mentioned those facts because the articles you posted didn't mention them at all... Mentioning the disabled daughter is a grab for sympathy, IMO. It's not like they're targeting the disabled. That's not to say that they don't deserve sympathy (because I do not agree with this, or think its fair as you claimed), but the two sides are once again important. :) And I would still say no, that article duggests that Israelis are tightly knit and not accepting of foreigners with absolutely no mention of Palestine. Cheap shot, and not relevant. @The link above, ugh. I realize the link just says they're building more courts for conversion, but that quote from the official is horrible. Some of their officials say the stupidest ****. There's no place for religion in government. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 4,177 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 The fading christianity in Gaza is enough for me to see that Christians get persecuted or brainwashed there well, Israel is the chosen country Israel is the most criminal country along with Nortk Korea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 4,177 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Don't try to shame me as a "conspiracy theorist" just because the truth makes you uncomfortable. the pro-israelà people only knows to say this is antsemitism, they can't see clearly because they're brainwashed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 the pro-israelà people only knows to say this is antsemitism, they can't see clearly because they're brainwashed Yeah You're comparing Israel with North Korea and we're brainwashed. K the ignorance is unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 the pro-israelà people only knows to say this is antsemitism, they can't see clearly because they're brainwashed Unlike you who probably watched a documentary on the topic and declared yourself "enlightened"... Seriously. No more conspiracy theories. PLEASE. Stick to legitimate news sources. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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