Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The biggest problem I am reading in the arguments isLack of definition between extremist views and moderate ..Lumping all Arab, Israeli, Christian, Palestinian, ect. views and ideas or relative positions in the conflict is causing a lot of misconceptions..Palestinians by majority are moderate and the same for Israel and Christian'sThe extremist views and actions shouldn't be used as a benchmark for judgment .... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The biggest problem I am reading in the arguments is Lack of definition between extremist views and moderate .. Lumping all Arab, Israeli, Christian, Palestinian, ect. views and ideas or relative positions in the conflict is causing a lot of misconceptions.. Palestinians by majority are moderate and the same for Israel and Christian's The extremist views and actions shouldn't be used as a benchmark for judgment ... The problem is as the conflict continues and the war gets even uglier, the moderate people on both sides become less involved and even careless. And as we speak Hamas has broke the ceasefire today: Gaza mortar shell lands in Israel for first time since cease-fire A mortar shell fired from the Gaza Strip landed in Israeli territory on Tuesday, the first time since the end of the recent war between Israel and the Palestinian factions in Gaza, the Israel Defense Forces confirmed. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.616147 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 You're changing the exclusivity of this topic really quick. It is supre-hypocrate to mention "Christians persecution" by Israel and simply wrong. Tons are getting killed in Iraq & Syria eachday, churches get burn under the Islamic regimes in this religion, but Israel is what annoys you the most. The only country where they are not being slaughtered and actually free with thier beliefs. All Palestinians suffer under Israeli occupation, not only Christians. But its simply not persecution, and it would be way less ugly if only they had stop killing Israeli citizens. What is wrong here is you constantly trying to divert topic to other areas. You did this before, during the bombings, ''but look at Assad! He killed more people! Why is everyone bashing Israel, look at America in Iraq!'' etc. we should look at what everyone else is doing except Israel. Now, this topic is not about Christians in Middle East, it was just one post about that document, which shows that Muslims and Christians of Palestine are on the same side when it comes to Israeli occupation. And one of you even denied existence of Christians in Gaza. The person I took it from had ''persecution'' in the tittle, but the document reveal what is all about and I quoted part of it. This document is the Christian Palestinians’ word to the world about what is happening in Palestine. It is written at this time when we wanted to see the Glory of the grace of God in this land and in the sufferings of its people. In this spirit the document requests the international community to stand by the Palestinian people who have faced oppression, displacement, suffering and clear apartheid for more than six decades. The suffering continues while the international community silently looks on at the occupying State, Israel. Our word is a cry of hope, with love, prayer and faith in God. We address it first of all to ourselves and then to all the churches and Christians in the world, asking them to stand against injustice and apartheid, urging them to work for a just peace in our region, calling on them to revisit theologies that justify crimes perpetrated against our people and the dispossession of the land. In this historic document, we Palestinian Christians declare that the military occupation of our land is a sin against God and humanity, and that any theology that legitimizes the occupation is far from Christian teachings because true Christian theology is a theology of love and solidarity with the oppressed, a call to justice and equality among people. The problem is as the conflict continues and the war gets even uglier, the moderate people on both sides become less involved and even careless. And as we speak Hamas has broke the ceasefire today: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.616147 Umm no they didn't. The ceasefire has been violated many times already by Israel and without Palestinian reaction. 9/14: An Israeli war ship fired “warning shots†at Palestinian fishermen off the coast of Gaza City’s Al-Shati refugee camp. 9/12: Israeli navy forces opened fire at Palestinian fishermen off the coast of Beit Lahiya to the north. 9/11: Four Israeli bulldozers entered a border area in southern Gaza, near the village of al-Qarara, and leveled private Palestinian land. Military vehicles accompanying the bulldozers fired shots, with no reports of injuries. 9/8: Israeli military fired on fishermen, pushing them back to a five-mile limit. 9/5: Israeli military opened fire on two fishermen and arrested them. 9/2: Israeli military opened fire with machine guns on Gaza fishermen. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=726782 http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=724864 and you should read from the link you posted Hamas later detained those responsible for the firing, Israel security sources said on Wednesday morning. It was clear that Hamas was interested in maintaining the cease-fire, the cources added. Earlier, Hamas had said it had no knowledge of any mortar attack on Israel and that the Palestinians factions remained committed to the truce. "There is no sign a mortar bomb was fired from Gaza and Palestinian factions are committed to keep the agreement for calm, and eager to maintain it," spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said. there is actually more What Israel Has Done After the Ceasefire On 26 August a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas was agreed, bringing a fragile end to a war that killed 2150 Palestinians (mostly civilians) and 73 Israelis (mostly soldiers). Since then Hamas has not fired a single rocket, attacked an Israeli target, or done anything to break the terms of the ceasefire. Israel has done the following: 1. Annexed another 1500 acres of West Bank land 2. Seized $56 million of PA tax revenue 3. Not lifted the illegal blockade (as required by the ceasefire) 4. Broken the ceasefire by firing at fishermen on four separate occasions 5. Detained six fishermen 6. Killed a 22-year-old, Issa al Qatari, a week before his wedding 7. Killed 16-year-old Mohammed Sinokrot with a rubber bullet to the head 8. Tortured a prisoner to the point of hospitalisation 9. Refused 13 members of the European Parliament entry into Gaza 10. Detained at least 127 people across the West Bank, including a seven-year-old boy in Hebron and two children, aged seven and eight, taken from the courtyard of their house in Silwad – and tear-gassed their mother 11. Continued to hold 33 members of the Palestinian Legislative Council in prison 12. Continued to hold 500 prisoners in administrative detention without charge or trial 13. Destroyed Bedouin homes in Khan al Ahmar, near Jerusalem, leaving 14 people homeless, and unveiled a plan to forcibly move thousands of Bedouin away from Jerusalem into two purpose-built townships 14. Destroyed a dairy factory in Hebron whose profits supported an orphanage 15. Destroyed a family home in Silwan, making five children homeless 16. Destroyed a house in Jerusalem where aid supplies en route to Gaza were being stored 17. Destroyed a well near Hebron 18. Set fire to an olive grove near Hebron 19. Raided a health centre and a nursery school in Nablus, causing extensive damage 20. Destroyed a swathe of farmland in Rafah by driving tanks over it 21. Ordered the dismantling of a small monument in Jerusalem to Mohamed Abu Khdeir, murdered in July by an Israeli lynch mob 22. Continued building a vast tunnel network under Jerusalem 23. Stormed the al Aqsa mosque compound with a group of far right settlers 24. Assisted hundreds of settlers in storming Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus 25. Prevented students from entering al Quds University, firing stun grenades and rubber bullets at those who tried to go in 26. Earned unknown millions on reconstruction materials for Gaza, where 100,000 people need their destroyed homes rebuilt. The total bill is estimated at $7.8 billion http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-israel-has-done-after-the-ceasefire/5401865 So yeah, let's talk how Hamas broke ceasefire as we speak. 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Melech 9,900 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 What is wrong here is you constantly trying to divert topic to other areas. You did this before, during the bombings, ''but look at Assad! He killed more people! Why is everyone bashing Israel, look at America in Iraq!'' etc. we should look at what everyone else is doing except Israel. Now, this topic is not about Christians in Middle East, it was just one post about that document, which shows that Muslims and Christians of Palestine are on the same side when it comes to Israeli occupation. And one of you even denied existence of Christians in Gaza. The person I took it from had ''persecution'' in the tittle, but the document reveal what is all about and I quoted part of it. who Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 who Noam. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Noam. Btw you didnt answered me if so live or are related to the conflict somehow?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Btw you didnt answered me if so live or are related to the conflict somehow?! It's not relevant to the topic, but no, I'm not. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 It's not relevant to the topic, but no, I'm not. oh,wow than you're are really passionate about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 wasn't there a new agreement to rebuild gaza? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Some people just can't get enough... 2 days ago, a rocket was fired from Gaza into Israel. What the ****? :excuseme: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 However Gaga spoke to The Independent about the gig saying it was: “Fantastic! Tel Aviv was magnificent. The world view of Israel is just not reality. It’s in a beautiful place, the people are in good spirits. I had a very emotional show with those fans. It was wonderful.†WHO ELSE BUT THE QUEEN, speaking the TRUTH TEA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusBoy 1 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 why is this up again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 WHO ELSE BUT THE QUEEN, speaking the TRUTH TEA. I love her so much!! Good to see that she supports us, and sees the truth!! QUEEN! why is this up again It's pinned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Desire 2 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 "However Gaga spoke to The Independent about the gig saying it was: “Fantastic! Tel Aviv was magnificent. The world view of Israel is just not reality. It’s in a beautiful place, the people are in good spirits. I had a very emotional show with those fans. It was wonderful.†WHO ELSE BUT THE QUEEN, speaking the TRUTH TEA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Netanyahu Slams White House on Settlements Criticismhttp://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Israel-Palestinians-conflict-US/2014/10/02/id/598128/Oh boy... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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