Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[EXCXSXE 0]

 

Calm down. Get some fresh air. Your temper is also one of the reasons these arguments get out of control.

 

I was thinking if this incident would provoke Iran and get them involved? I don't wish for it, though.

 

Interesting. I don't think they would get involved at this point... I actually don't know if anyone will. 

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

 

Calm down. Get some fresh air. Your temper is also one of the reasons these arguments get out of control.

 

I was thinking if this incident would provoke Iran and get them involved? I don't wish for it, though.

First of all, don't tell me what to do. Second, my temper is completely fine, do not blame on me things that are responsible on. 

 

Still, your post about Iran is off-topic, and another try to make people hate Israel.

 

And you need to remember that this is not a contest, you always compare the death number of both countries. This is a war, respect it. And as a citizen of Israel, which participate in the war, you are so offensive!!! STOP being offensive it's disrespectful and you HURT me!!

[darkwolf 590]

There's not even 8 million people in Israel... I doubt "millions" of them are saying that.  :roll: This post is completely argument bait and adds nothing to the discussion. 

If more than 2 millions then we can say millions :)

Yes you are right, this doesn't add much to the topic, I don't know why I'm responding to that, we should just ignore provocative posts that include no sources.

[River 127,556]

people here acting like they are enemies, this thread was supposed to be closed few weeks ago.

pro-israel and israelis - try to understand the other side, I don't need to tell you, you probably know, that our government is not a saint and tbh Mr. Bibi needs to get the **** out of the government as soon as possible, and our military did a lot of mistakes that killed innocent people, and please a military can't be moral, it's impossible..

I can understand the hate, but don't you think that it's time to grow up and be a better person? you can hate Hamas, that's for sure, but to hate the people in Gaza? really? they live hell, because of Hamas and because of Israel.

 

pro-palestine - you ask for compassion from the israelis here, but give 0 compassion to them, they are in a middle of a war too, risking their lives, living in a fear every second, and they are not to blame, it's their government, so please, give some respect.

you gave them the impression that they are your enemies, that you hate them and that they have no right to live in their country.

accept this that Israel is here and will always be (unless the world will go boom..).

be against their government, not them.

be against Hamas, and be with the palestinians.

 

you can discuss without hate, you can be even friends, and I hope you will.. no sides, no enemies, stop this hate.

stop to talk about who is the blame, and start to talk about the solution for peace.

stop all this cheap propaganda from both, both Israel and Hamas are wrong, also, the media deliver what they want you to think, don't be a media puppet, you are smarter than this..

 

While my family is running to the shelter, there is a little boy in Gaza who have no shelter.

both live in fear, both asking why? both are crying for this war to stop.

there is no place in the ground to bury all the people that the both sides lost anymore.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

I've been following this discussion for A couple of weeks now... More importantly , I've read and seen news reports on the region since before there was internet...

What I thought before the internet has changed... Western news media is a bit bias in favor of Israel, while ignoring the suffering that many innocent people have to live with.

Having seen what " the other side" is saying, it clear that Israel is to blame and they should just vanish ... By any means.

The war is primarily about land that Israel annexed, and fight to keep. The only 'end' will come when ...

a Arabs accept Israel and cease militant attacks up Israeli citizens....

B. Arabs get a nuke and wipe Israel off the planet ....

Israel cannot win peace by any means , diplomacy or militarily ....they are doomed to a perpetual existence of war and hate ...

I say this because the pro-Palestinian supports see no information beyond their own self victimization ... Israel air raids, artillery and soldiers do the killing, sure... But the goal is to stop attacks up her citizens ... Pro palestinian's refuse to see this and simply blame Israel....

Hamas. ... Declared war on Israel , and are organized solely for the purpose of killing them... They show no regard for their own people, and when funded, use the funds to buy weapons,..little if nothing goes to help the civilian suffering in the Gaza that they were elected to lead.

Several of the posters seem to use this 'discussion' to highlight the victims and blame Israel ... Not once acknowledging anything Hamas/Hezbola or the Islamic extremests contribute to the conflict.

Israel on the other hand are creating a lot of homeless, fatherless people in their attempts to remove the enemy ...

I find it completely preposterous the idea that Israel 'targets' civilians,

Nevertheless less there are a great many innocent people suffering.

[Jjang 2,262]

You do, but then you get attacked saying "propaganda!!111" "no compassion!11" smh.

 

You're completely right. There's just some people here who won't stop spreading hatred.

 

That's a little ironic coming from you.

 

I've been following this discussion for A couple of weeks now... More importantly , I've read and seen news reports on the region since before there was internet...

What I thought before the internet has changed... Western news media is a bit bias in favor of Israel, while ignoring the suffering that many innocent people have to live with.

Having seen what " the other side" is saying, it clear that Israel is to blame and they should just vanish ... By any means.

The war is primarily about land that Israel annexed, and fight to keep. The only 'end' will come when ...

a Arabs accept Israel and cease militant attacks up Israeli citizens....

B. Arabs get a nuke and wipe Israel off the planet ....

Israel cannot win peace by any means , diplomacy or militarily ....they are doomed to a perpetual existence of war and hate ...

 

The fact that we have to be careful with everything we say but you typing Arabs instead of the Hamas is suddenly okay and forgiven.

 

Talk about generalizing (to the extreme.)

[Pandemiya 61]

 

That's a little ironic coming from you.

 

 

The fact that we have to be careful with everything we say but you typing Arabs instead of the Hamas is suddenly okay and forgiven.

 

Talk about generalizing (to the extreme.)

 

You kept blaming me for calling all arabs disgusting, when I said it to 1 member and I was infracted for that. Obviously not all arabs are like that and I even have some arab friends irl... my apology for the misunderstanding.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

That's a little ironic coming from you.

The fact that we have to be careful with everything we say but you typing Arabs instead of the Hamas is suddenly okay and forgiven.

Talk about generalizing (to the extreme.)

Hostile, and defensive..

I should say Islamic extremests, like Hamas then? I'm sure there is a difference ... Enlighten me to the difference ?

I know that Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and Saudi leadership have made peace with Israel, they simply disagree with the border expansion...

Why can't the rest of the 'Arab's' ?

[Jjang 2,262]

You kept blaming me for calling all arabs disgusting, when I said it to 1 member and I was infracted for that. Obviously not all arabs are like that and I even have some arab friends irl... my apology for the misunderstanding.

 

Its great that you understood the weight of your comment & you're apologizing

 

 

 

Hostile, and defensive..

I should say Islamic extremests, like Hamas then?

 

In topics like these you must be careful and specific, yes.

 

 

 

2 months ago I would have replied to this comment with another generalizing comment intentionally to show you how it feels, but Its not too hard to sense that this topic became extremely sensitive.

 

 

 

IMO, these kind of posts deserve the most warning points, mostly for ignorance.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

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In topics like these you must be careful and specific, yes.

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IMO, these kind of posts deserve the most warning points, mostly for ignorance.

Inflammatory, simply explaining that 'Arab's' are different than murderous terrorists is good enough. Explaining what you think deserves warning points is irrelavent to the topic being discussed.

[Jjang 2,262]

Inflammatory, simply explaining that 'Arab's' are different than murderous terrorists is good enough. Explaining what you think deserves warning points is irrelavent to the topic being discussed.

*In order for them to stop mods have to step in though, so it does contribute to the topic.

[lego 44,165]

people here acting like they are enemies, this thread was supposed to be closed few weeks ago.
pro-israel and israelis - try to understand the other side, I don't need to tell you, you probably know, that our government is not a saint and tbh Mr. Bibi needs to get the **** out of the government as soon as possible, and our military did a lot of mistakes that killed innocent people, and please a military can't be moral, it's impossible..
I can understand the hate, but don't you think that it's time to grow up and be a better person? you can hate Hamas, that's for sure, but to hate the people in Gaza? really? they live hell, because of Hamas and because of Israel.

pro-palestine - you ask for compassion from the israelis here, but give 0 compassion to them, they are in a middle of a war too, risking their lives, living in a fear every second, and they are not to blame, it's their government, so please, give some respect.
you gave them the impression that they are your enemies, that you hate them and that they have no right to live in their country.
accept this that Israel is here and will always be (unless the world will go boom..).
be against their government, not them.
be against Hamas, and be with the palestinians.

you can discuss without hate, you can be even friends, and I hope you will.. no sides, no enemies, stop this hate.
stop to talk about who is the blame, and start to talk about the solution for peace.
stop all this cheap propaganda from both, both Israel and Hamas are wrong, also, the media deliver what they want you to think, don't be a media puppet, you are smarter than this..

While my family is running to the shelter, there is a little boy in Gaza who have no shelter.
both live in fear, both asking why? both are crying for this war to stop.
there is no place in the ground to bury all the people that the both sides lost anymore.

People like you and EXCXSXE should post more, the discussion would flow much easier even with disagreements and it wouldn't always end with someone yelling, threatening with reports and similar.

I agree with you on some points but I disagree with closing and that pro-palestine side doesn't show compassion. I already said I'm sorry about the boy who died and I believe any Palestinian parent or any parent in general who lost a child wouldn't wish that to happen even to worst enemy. I also feel bad for Israeli civilians, I know what it's like running to shelters while sirens are on and people panicking.


I never even supported Hamas, and I was always against suicide bombings and purposely targeting civilians. I understand need for a resistance group though. Some Palestinians believe that it's more honorable to fight and die than waiting to die in your bed from Israeli bombs. I think they changed and took less extreme approach, the fact that they're willing to sit and negotiate says a lot, and their 10 years truce plan sounds reasonable and it could lead to recognition of Israeli state, and recognition of Palestine state if extremists are not in power in Israel.
You shouldn't expect them not to get any weapons though, if they want to lead a country they need it for self defense, as any other country in the world.
They should just talk, talk, talk...and find solution without bombs and rockets.

[River 127,556]

People like you and EXCXSXE should post more, the discussion would flow much easier even with disagreements and it wouldn't always end with someone yelling, threating with reports and similar.

I agree with you on some points but I disagree with closing and that pro-palestine side doesn't show compassion. I already said I'm sorry about the boy who died and I believe any Palestinian parent or any parent in general who lost a child wouldn't wish that to happen even to worst enemy.

I never even supported Hamas, and I was always against suicide bombings and purposly targetting civilians. I understand need for a resistance group though. Some Palestinians believe that it's more honorable to fight and die than waiting to die in your bed from Israeli bombs. I think they changed and took less extreme approach, the fact that they're willing to sit and negotiate says a lot, and their 10 years truce plan sounds reasonable and it could lead to recognition of Israeli state, and recognition of Palestine state if extremists are not in power in Israel.

You shouldn't expect them not to get any weapons though, if they want to lead a country they need it for self defence, as any other country in the world.

They should just talk, talk, talk...and find solution without bombs and rockets.

 

I know that you are not supporting Hamas, and you are took on yourself to be the voice of the Palestinians here on the forum.

 

My solution is to give power to the Fataj, to help them go inside Gaza and replace Hamas, I trust Abu-Mazen 100%, I wish Mr. Bibi will see this opportunity and will make an action, even against his supporters.

But one thing that we all should agree, Hamas needs to go away.

I can understand in the need of resistance too, in some sense it's their military, but I can't understand when all the money goes to weapons, tunnels and terror, but nothing goes to their people, when all the help needs to come from outside sources, including Israel, even when Israel takes control on the food and etc. but israel still gives some help and they can stop this at any time.. it doesn't matter what is the purpose of this action, at least, they are helping.

I agree that both sides need to talk, but you know, like kids, they talk after they fight..

for me this situation is like 2 children fighting over a toy and no one wants to do compromises to play with it.

we are in a point that things can get worst or be better, not good, but better.

so let's see what's going on, and let's wish for peace.

 

Sometimes when things getting heated, you don't really look inside what you wrote, and sometimes people read it different than the way you read it (you read it calm, they read it like you yell at them..), and sometimes you write things that a little bit too much.. and it seems like you attack without showing compassion... it's just a little advice and not a blame, before you post, even when you are angry, read it, the israelis are still at war, so they are sensitive a little bit too much than a person who lives somewhere else.

[EXCXSXE 0]

people here acting like they are enemies, this thread was supposed to be closed few weeks ago.

pro-israel and israelis - try to understand the other side, I don't need to tell you, you probably know, that our government is not a saint and tbh Mr. Bibi needs to get the **** out of the government as soon as possible, and our military did a lot of mistakes that killed innocent people, and please a military can't be moral, it's impossible..

I can understand the hate, but don't you think that it's time to grow up and be a better person? you can hate Hamas, that's for sure, but to hate the people in Gaza? really? they live hell, because of Hamas and because of Israel.

 

pro-palestine - you ask for compassion from the israelis here, but give 0 compassion to them, they are in a middle of a war too, risking their lives, living in a fear every second, and they are not to blame, it's their government, so please, give some respect.

you gave them the impression that they are your enemies, that you hate them and that they have no right to live in their country.

accept this that Israel is here and will always be (unless the world will go boom..).

be against their government, not them.

be against Hamas, and be with the palestinians.

 

you can discuss without hate, you can be even friends, and I hope you will.. no sides, no enemies, stop this hate.

stop to talk about who is the blame, and start to talk about the solution for peace.

stop all this cheap propaganda from both, both Israel and Hamas are wrong, also, the media deliver what they want you to think, don't be a media puppet, you are smarter than this..

 

While my family is running to the shelter, there is a little boy in Gaza who have no shelter.

both live in fear, both asking why? both are crying for this war to stop.

there is no place in the ground to bury all the people that the both sides lost anymore.

 

       

[LordGaGas 0]